For a guy who seems to know what he's talking about a lot of the time, I honestly cannot fathom how you've come up with that one.

No it doesn't, completely different incidents.

If you want to compare Senior kicking out, compare it with the two kicking out incidents Tomkins has committed this year.

How you could even relate the two is beyond me.

It's simple. I watched the game. What part of my post do you disagree with?

In what way was Buderus influential on Sunday?

His penalties, particularly the one for turtling the player, were simply amateurish.

I don't recall any posts on here discussing Buderus being a major influence even from his fanboys. Eastwood was MOM, McGuire, Webb and Burrow have all received praise. Buderus played OK (dumb penalties aside) but was NOT a major influence.

The try that got us back in the game. Supporting and playing the ball quickly in order that McGuire got a quick ball for Hall's try.

But you say was not an influence?



There's agendas, and there is agendas.

The try that got us back in the game was all Eastwood. Buderus dived over from 2 yards.

And a quick play the ball.

I see. That consitutes a major influence does it?

No agenda, I am happy to be persuaded that he was a major influence but your post falls way short. What about his ridiculous decision to turtle the Wigan player costing us 2 points? Not to mention his spear costing us a penalty and possibly his influence in a massive game in two weeks?

I'd rather have him available for selection than not. I don't believe he will be available though, 1 match would be my guess.

As would I. However, his lack of availability is all down to him.

Do you think he was a major influence on Sunday?

Might not have been too influential on sunday but he's a class act..end of..
Great passing both ways,quick passing from the floor,runs from the play the ball.and if you watch the game again you'll see the amount of tackles he makes and especially how quick he is into the tackle.Many times i've watched this year he sprints up and makes the tackle(on opposition forwards) when the nearest Leeds player is at least1-2 yards behind him.Not to mention the better peformances from Diskin because he's got competition(in my opinion)No sorry pal can't agree on this one,would rather have him than a Diskin/Mcshane combo or Diskin/Burrow.

I don't doubt he is a class act. Nice to note that whilst you're a big admirer of him you're objective enough to recognise he wasn't a major influence on Sunday...............unlike some of his other admirers.

Can't get my head round this Buderus tackle

Why is he up & Prescott isn't ,both tackles dumped the player dangerously

Also I know Senior kicked out in the tackle and got a ticking off in the cup tie but a blatant kick when a guy is playing the ball surely deserves a ban

Is the committee anti Leeds here or does Maurice still hold some influence?

Leeds had Webb banned earlier this season for much less than this

But apparently he doesn't have any influence, so how can this be counted against him?

That would all have some degree of credibility had you not gone overboard telling all and sundry on here a few weeks back about how great Diskin was because of =#FF0040one reverse pass that put McGuire away to score at Cas.

Like I said, there is agendas, and there is agendas. It appears one only needs to fart to have an influence where another one wouldn't get the credit if he played 13 men on his own and still won a match.

One thing was for sure his influence on Sunday all be it less than other games during the season still out-weighed anything Diskin offered on the night. Diskin's lateral defence is appalling for a pro player.

No. I don't think dummy half was a major battleground, there was too much wrestling. Play the balls were slowed to such a speed that all the acting half had to do was pick up and pass. We beat them because we did what we've done best for a long time now, coped with the pressure when it mattered and took our chances. Eastwood also came on from the bench and made things happen - soemthing Wigan didn't have.

I'm not going to bag him over the tackle though. When he tackles he really drives into the legs and twists the player, he doesn't try and smash the guy. I guess it's one of his trademarks throughout his career. This time I think he was second man in and Kylie fell off destabilising the tackled player - hence Buderus rolled him over and up un the air. I also don't think the penlaty Wigan kicked was particularly clear cut, very harsh on Buderus to bag him on that. One of those "I haven't blown my whistle for a while " penalties at the tackle you could give at almost every PTB.

I delibertely didn't comapre the two players in my previous post because it is irrelevent to the question.

I though Buderus had a decent game, but was far from a major influence. He did what he does.

My only though was that the play for Sinny's drop goal was inch perfect. Something you take for granted, but when you see how close the Wigan defender go to blocking you realise how even a slightly poor pass could cost us.

To borrow a quote from Gotcha (grammatical errors and all), there is agendas and then there is agendas.

I'm shocked that someone should turn this thread should turn into a debate about Buderus' contribution to the game. There's not enough Buderus discussion on here. More of this please.

I'm equally shocked someone else should use that as an invitation to expose their agenda against probably the most successful hooker in the club's history.

Given Buderus takes up at least 99% of the Leeds salary cap it's only right that the number of threads relating to him should be in proportion.

I thought it was more than that?

I was rounding down to the nearest whole number.

That's not counting the millions we're paying him in used fivers in a carrier bag that doesn't go through the accounts or the cap auditor.

Is it really just me that likes having two top class hookers and doesn't feel the need to constantly play them off against each other?

If I had to pick a favourite, I'd go with the guy who has picked up 4 SL winners medals for the club, and scored the opening try in 2 of those finals, and picked up the Harry Sunderland trophy. But I don't have to pick a favourite. I think they're both among the best hookers in the country. I reckon that's a pretty good thing for the club.

On an only slightly related subject, I wonder if I'm also alone in thinking Diskin's service from dummy half has been generally rather quicker and more accurate of late? That little pause between pick up and delivery (which was basically my only criticism of the guy) seems to have disappeared. Could be my imagination.

Great shout

Sorry don't agree.

You seem to have a blind spot with Buderus. His pedigree is top drawer you don't captain Australia and your State of Origin side without being one of the very top players in the world. Sure you can argue we should not have signed him as we had Diskin and McShane but that is water well under the bridge and not his fault.

Even you admit he is class. He was unfortunate to get a serious injury which has restricted his opportunites with Leeds. But he is a Leeds player and without doubt our best hooker. We look sharper with him on the field and he certainly is one of our most influencial players. It is churlish to admit otherwise.

Against Wigan he scored a crucial try and along with another favourite of yours, Mr Eastwood, helped turn the game around. You don't seem to see that his very presence has a positive effect on the side and his passing is so much sharper from the ruck than Diskin and his defence is superb.

Diskin gives his share of penalties away so that is not an excuse you can use to for not playing him as first choice and for most of the match.

By the way who was it that passed from a PTB behind Hall and gave Wigan a scoring chance in the 2nd half? Was it Diskin or was it Buderus?

Sorry don't agree.

You seem to have a blind spot with Buderus. His pedigree is top drawer you don't captain Australia and your State of Origin side without being one of the very top players in the world. Sure you can argue we should not have signed him as we had Diskin and McShane but that is water well under the bridge and not his fault.

Even you admit he is class. He was unfortunate to get a serious injury which has restricted his opportunites with Leeds. But he is a Leeds player and without doubt our best hooker. We look sharper with him on the field and he certainly is one of our most influencial players. It is churlish to admit otherwise.

Against Wigan he scored a crucial try and along with another favourite of yours, Mr Eastwood, helped turn the game around. You don't seem to see that his very presence has a positive effect on the side and his passing is so much sharper from the ruck than Diskin and his defence is superb.

Diskin gives his share of penalties away so that is not an excuse you can use to for not playing him as first choice and for most of the match.

By the way who was it that passed from a PTB behind Hall and gave Wigan a scoring chance in the 2nd half? Was it Diskin or was it Buderus?