Our attacking philosophy seems based on keeping the ball alive, any pass will do, hoping the opposition over commit for us to attack the space that's left.

Totally agree

You’ve answered your own question regards Goudemand.

I’m looking at results and the closeness of some of them and if you read my posts I actually agree with you on the spine, that’s my whole point, we’re a few signings away from being back up there, not that the whole set up needs changing.

I was surprised your pack didn't dominate last night. Saints starting pack would normally be, Walmsley, Roby, Lees, Sirronen. Batchelor, Knowles. With a bench of probably Paasi, LMS or Matautia, Bell and Lussick. Not counting Lussick cause he's gone 7 of those were missing.

I’m not, we’ve lost to worse teams than that St Helens one last night. That’s not a criticism of you, it’s just a marker of where we are at the moment.

We didn't let Walters go.
He's just gone to a club with much more ambition.
Can't really blame him.

Im not surprised either were a ridiculously unpredictable side in an unpredictable league, there’s been loads of games that on paper should go the way you think for it to go the exact opposite

Leeds pack should have dominated but lacked intensity and effort. Knowles and Lees both well over 100m each and 35 tackles apiece plus hit the line hard. Our 5 props added together only marginally achieved the same numbers as the 2 above. That's not good enough notwithstanding our woes in the spine positions.

Let's not confuse this with being entirely a positive thing though, it frustrates me how RS thinks it is.

unpredictable league? excuses excuses excuses. give it a rest we are crap. 8th place, 50% of games lost, trainers cheap option close

believe christopher

I admire your positivity bud, really do. It’s clear you love the club and get a lot out of supporting home and away.

Jeez, calm down it was a general comment on the whole league not really our situation. It wasn’t excuses excuses.

There wasn’t anything particularly positive in my post you quoted

I didn’t say it was a positive thing per se, it was just a comment on the league this year.

However take our situation out of it, an unpredictable league surely is a good thing isn’t it?

I would love to believe we are on the right track but there is nothing to suggest this is the case. Occasional bursts of brilliant rugby do not excuse that we do not complete the basic skills in the majority of games and play with zero structure. Our forwards have size but don't consistently hit the gain line hard. Is this a mindset or poor distribution from dummy half. Our attack then lacks structure is predictable looks poorly coached and we often take the wrong options. The good teams hit the gain line hard make yards have a quick play the ball fast distribution and the halves have a structured play to attempt to break the defensive line with the FB often the most attacking runner.
It's not a complicated game. Yes we sometimes look devastating from broken field play but that's not the basic requirements.

See this is the problem, a high standard of rugby is a good thing. Unpredictability would be too if the quality of rugby wasn't t compromised. I dont think that's the case.

I agree on that but I can’t see that changing any time soon, personally id still prefer an unpredictable league rather than a a predictable one.

Of course the ideal is 12 teams of high quality and everyone being able to beat each other in their day but im not sure that happens in any sport!

The quality of SL is not going to change unless the clubs and governing body start to get more money in the game, I hope IMG can rectify this a little, another thing they need to do is sort the ruck out its an absolute shambles.

Personally I'd rather see 5 really high quality teams who push each other all year (and weve not even got that), rather than believing its great that Wakefield as an example, can beat a poor leeds side and an underperforming Wigan. Drive standards up not a race to the bottom.

I actually agree with you, id like to see more than 5 though as Im sure you would.

I don’t however want to see yo yo ing bottom of the table teams which is why im all for IMGs proposal

Ask Leigh fans if they are worrying about the standard of the league. Saints beat the best NRL team I’ve ever seen earlier this year. Just sounds like sour apples from a team who can’t get in the playoffs……

Of course I want to see leeds up there, but the reason is because we're poor, and the quality above us isn't that special either. I understand the game shabs been around it for many years, the quality of the game is a concern, that's why IMG were brought in, because its stagnated.

Im not sure about that but what fans do have to realise is that if it is a competitive league (good or bad standard) you can’t expect to be at the top all the time. Again this is a general comment and not just about Leeds fans.

Take Saints snd Warrington fans for example they are just as scathing about their players and coaches as us this year, which is the nature of being a fan but you can’t wish for an unpredictable/competitive league without realising it might mean your club isn’t automatically a shoe in for being at the top or winning things.

Never mind chaps…..another weekend, another merchandise discount offer…..all is well

Saints and warrington have been poor for large chunks of this year, I can't blame their fans, and they're above us! That game last night was awful, from both sides. There aren't enough quality games. Again I don't want an unpredictable league over quality, 12 quality teams is too much to ask but 4 or 5 come on, we've not even achieved that. Leigh are a real credit, Cats have recruited well and Wigan looking to push on outside of that it's not good enough.

And yeah a club with the riches and infrastructure leeds has should not be underperforming year on year like we are. We are pound for pound the biggest underperformers of the lot.