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| Did well to win and kept going which was key and means Smith has beaten every side bar Leigh.
We still blew the first chance to drop a goal and got lucky with a rebound from the kick and 6 again.
Hurrell’s was a nailed on red card. Thought Sione was a bit lucky to only get yellow in first half, sezer bleeding out of the back of his head all game. Walters looked a foul to me and we finally got a break of Kendall.
They are still miles ahead overall and were in control until they ran out of gas.
Great to see both halves and Martin play well. The smith try was made from saints concern about big Justin meant Walters had chance to run at Dodd and offload.
They would have been very tired but clearly had a temperament meltdown without the machine that is Roby.
We will be up and down but Rohan is going the right way and we need to stick with it and the chance for a young pack to emerge and grow, mik , Jared, Tommy, Walters, Gannon, smith, McDonnell, Justin and warren to come.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
Enjoy the win - well deserved. Hopefully Leeds can back it up as a lot of teams crumble the week after they've managed to go 80 with Saints.'"
We are Leeds, we ain’t most teams, we crumbled for 2 weeks before going 80 with Saints.
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| People think this is a sin binning offence? Lol
Arm wrapped around, player stood up with little rotation of shoulder as per refs view
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| I go a bit steady with the "young" Leeds team folks. I know what you mean but the average age of the starting backs and half backs last night is 30:
Richie Myler 32
David Fusitu'a 28
Nene MacDonald 28
Ash Handley 27
Derrell Olpherts 31
Blake Austin 32
Aidan Sezer 31
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| why is anyone defending hurrells red card? shoulder charge making contact with the head. Red card every single time
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| Quote ="tad rhino"why is anyone defending hurrells red card? shoulder charge making contact with the head. Red card every single time'"
they must be drinking the Jon Wilkin koolaid
the fact Konnie threw a massive tantrum about it as well, like he'd done nothing wrong - pathetic
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| Just wanted to congratulate the new world champs. Well done Leeds.
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| I don't know what Peter Smith is watching sometimes with some of his scores.
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| Quote ="Seth"I don't know what Peter Smith is watching sometimes with some of his scores.'"
Matt Shaw's are usually worse.
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| Quote ="Simmo71"Correct Shabs. It wasn't high.
But it was a shoulder charge and should have been penalised, We got away with one there. But Saints got plenty of calls in the game.
Someone needs to speak to Welsby. He can't take the law into his own hands - and he has ultimately cost them the game.
Myler was whacked 3 times. All were, quite rightly, punished.
Did our players come flying up the pitch to start on the player? No.'"
Yep. Saints have built their unprecedented success by playing an extremely aggressive style of Rugby, often to the very edge of the law. Most times they stay within it, last night they didn't and were rightly punished. The game doesn't need creative players being clobbered off the ball, regardless of which team is doing it. Smith's strategy of going round rather than through, probably contributed to those late tackles. Credit to him.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I find it amusing that you were adamant that Welsby should have got a "clear red card" last week and then claim that isn't a shoulder charge.
Methinks someone is a little rattled by all the success Saints are having
Enjoy the win - well deserved. Hopefully Leeds can back it up as a lot of teams crumble the week after they've managed to go 80 with Saints.'"
Its almost as if it’s two different incidents and not comparable, I admitted i was wrong on the Welsby incident after rewatching it.
There is only one club rattled, look at the pathetic actions of your players and fans after the game.
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| Quote ="christopher"Its almost as if it’s two different incidents and not comparable, I admitted i was wrong on the Welsby incident after rewatching it.
There is only one club rattled, look at the pathetic actions of your players and fans after the game.'"
I was more surprised by the players reaction than the fans. It was only a reg season game, not sure why someone like Percival was making a scene after the game.
Fans reaction was really poor too but small minority? You’ll obs no more as were at the game…..
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| Quote ="Shabino"I was more surprised by the players reaction than the fans. It was only a reg season game, not sure why someone like Percival was making a scene after the game.
Fans reaction was really poor too but small minority? You’ll obs no more as were at the game…..'"
It was a small minority as it usually is with these things, but there were some very very angry Fans outside the ground, first time I’ve felt like it could ‘kick off’ for a long time.
You are right though the players were pathetic, look at Hurrell throwing his toys out and Percival having to get a talking to from Walmsley.
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| Hurrell's was a red card. Not as bad as Tet's hit on him last year but it was late and a shoulder charge to the chin. Myler's lucky not to have got badly hurt, and Wilkin's comments were disgraceful.
Walters was a penalty for me. But little flare-ups were happening all game and the ref had warned both captains about players not running in.
Certainly be interesting at the disciplinary this week. Last year Macdonald would have got a ban for the attempt to stop a try as well.
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| Walters incident is a grey area if its slowed down does look like he's trying to wrap arm but can't fully due to Cameron Smith making Simultaneous contact on Matty Lees. But for me if 'shoulder charges' are used like that I'm fine with it shoulder on shoulder equals some big hits and are not dangerous for players safety imo
Hurrell shoulder charge is a red card all day & all season long. He's made direct contact too Myler's head with shoulder which IS dangerous for player safety. It's not rocket science imo.
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| Won't stop saints players and fans trying to conflate the 2 as they stamp their feet.
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| Quote ="christopher"It was a small minority as it usually is with these things, but there were some very very angry Fans outside the ground, first time I’ve felt like it could ‘kick off’ for a long time.
You are right though the players were pathetic, look at Hurrell throwing his toys out and Percival having to get a talking to from Walmsley.'"
It was a weird one. Thought it was supposed to be party atmosphere celebrating WCC? Can’t imagine a regular season loss would have triggered such anger. Was there more to it?
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| It was nice to see Leeds throw it around as I felt we went a bit one up on the previous weeks.
Feel like Lisone was dropped for being unfit and likewise, Leeming for being poor. O'Connor made the team play better and helped Sezer have a good game. Was also nice to see McDonnell get a game: he looked solid.
I really like Holroyd. Sangare has been great so far and Walters looked handy. With Oledzki to come back, Tetevano going ok and hopefully Lisone to get fit, we could have some good options.
MacDonald looks very dangerous in attack and him alongside Newman will change the whole complex of our backs. Newman takes us up two gears.
I would not have complained if Walters had been penalised but glad to see he didn't as Welsby always tries to ref games. It would only have been given because of Welsby's actions.
Hurrell's was a stone wall red. Late, shoulder, direct to the head and with force. Stupid.
I thought Matautia's would have been a red had it been last season too as it was very dangerous. He seems a bit of a grub.
In terms of Kendall, potentially we got away with one, however, barring the yellow card, we got absolutely nothing from him in the first 30 minutes. Every 50:50 call went Saints favour like it normally does. Saints are a tough enough team to beat without getting any decisions as well. Teams get pinged for holding down, offsides etc. that Saints seem to get away with. Its as if they can't do anything wrong.
Hope we aren't going to start giving an 8 point try every time someone touches a players head or there will be one every match.
I am not keen on the set restart rule as referees can get away with it without any criticism whereas they used to get a reaction from the crowd when an incorrect penalty was given. I think Leeds got a set restart on the zero tackle last night which had no barring for us, whereas Saints get theres on the 3rd / 4th / 5th tackle.
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| Missed the game live I was on my way back from Spain. When I watched it back, the biggest difference was the intent, with the ball we showed a lot more intent to move it around and without it we had a lot more intent in our defence. Still a number of things to work on, my mate Derrell still gives me heart failure when he has the ball, we still clock off every now and again at marker (Smith for the Lussick try), and we get split by a change of line (Sangare for Dodd) too easy.
Overall massive progress from the first two weeks, MacDonald looks dangerous, Sezer showed he can do it when he gets good ball and is motivated, Sangare and Holroyd looked good and Tetevano had his best game in living memory. On to Wakey, we need to build on this and put them to the sword to recover some of the lost PD so far this year.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Missed the game live I was on my way back from Spain. When I watched it back, the biggest difference was the intent, with the ball we showed a lot more intent to move it around and without it we had a lot more intent in our defence. Still a number of things to work on, my mate Derrell still gives me heart failure when he has the ball, we still clock off every now and again at marker (Smith for the Lussick try), and we get split by a change of line (Sangare for Dodd) too easy.
Overall massive progress from the first two weeks, MacDonald looks dangerous, Sezer showed he can do it when he gets good ball and is motivated, Sangare and Holroyd looked good and Tetevano had his best game in living memory. On to Wakey, we need to build on this and put them to the sword to recover some of the lost PD so far this year.'"
Good round up tbh.
Having Holroyd back and some aggressive running from the Sangare etc.
Once Oledski is back and Lisone fit we should not only be finally matching big teams,but beating them for spells throughout the games.
That has a big effect on teams over 80 mins. They will tire make mistakes / give penalties and concede ground.
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| Well happy with that result and the performance.
Tetavano and Smith who get some grief on here stood up well along with Holroyd, Sangare and O`Connor.
Martin back to his best and McDonnel solid.
The halves 100% better than the last 2 weeks and both our centres played well.
Agree Fusitua looks soft to me and slow.
The Walters incident could easily be a penalty and the Hurrell one definitely a red.
No idea why Saints were so rattled and as their coach said their discipline let them down.
Maybe they thought we would just roll over and let them win?
Kendall made some poor decisions but like last week when Taylor should have been binned and we win the game, we got the refs swings and roundabouts lottery this time.
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| Quote ="Neruda"the guys pathetic - accusing Myler of staying down play acting for the cameras after he was shoulder charged in the head
if i never hear him on a sky game again it'll be too soon'"
Makes Phil Clarke look nonpartisan! Should bin him off and let Kyle Amor do a bit more. He called the Wire game even when Salford were still winning!
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| After watching again with a little less passion running through my veins and a little more analytical.
Walters incident was a penalty but refs view I understand why not, one we got away with. On the whole Kendall was Kendall and a few bad decisions both ways. Hurell a red without doubt.
First half we were responsible for 4 out of 5 tries, cut that out and we may become a team to reckon with. Defence is far too flimsy right now but fixable. Sangare good going forward, naive in defence. Hard to say about Leeming, never got the chance to show what we would have been like with him at DH. Sezer a different player this week. Was just saying half way through the first half that we needed Martin to show some form and that was one of the major differences when he started to play well.
Don’t know why Saints got so rattled, I guess emotions got the better of them, been a long few weeks. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and they will probably be the standard to achieve, however this is where we get to see how good Wellens is going to be
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| The bawling on RedVee is as good as the result. Apparently Myler is a grub for milking getting hit in the head with Hurrell's shoulder! The post from someone who "talked to a Leeds fan" who backed up every moan they had throughout the game is hilarious! Of course you did son, of course you did! I spoke to a Saints fan who said we were by far the better team, that Welsby is a man-child, Hurrell should be banned for 10 games and Jon Wilkin is an embarrassment to commentating!
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| Quote ="LeedsLurch"After watching again with a little less passion running through my veins and a little more analytical.
Walters incident was a penalty but refs view I understand why not, one we got away with. On the whole Kendall was Kendall and a few bad decisions both ways. Hurell a red without doubt.
First half we were responsible for 4 out of 5 tries, cut that out and we may become a team to reckon with. Defence is far too flimsy right now but fixable. Sangare good going forward, naive in defence. Hard to say about Leeming, never got the chance to show what we would have been like with him at DH. Sezer a different player this week. Was just saying half way through the first half that we needed Martin to show some form and that was one of the major differences when he started to play well.
Don’t know why Saints got so rattled, I guess emotions got the better of them, been a long few weeks. Giving them the benefit of the doubt and they will probably be the standard to achieve, however this is where we get to see how good Wellens is going to be'"
Spot on.
The interesting comments about Sezer is whether he plays better with O'Connor at 9. I guess we'll see in the coming weeks.
I know it's been a tough few weeks for Saints, but some cracks on Friday night.
I really do think Wire will run them close this year. Their pack is definitely a match.
As much as I'd like Wire to go another 70 years without winning the top prize, it would be better for the game than Saints 5 in a row.
The most important thing for us now is that we back it up with a good win against Wakey.
Very different pressure when we're expected to win.
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