Ah yes beaten by the Bulls that year

You've only quoted one "expert" there.

No he didn't he questioned mcguire's form and indecision with ball in hand!!

David,

I was being a little unfair. A little light hearted poke at you, probably uncalled for but i know you can take it.

The thing is I rate McGuire and Burrow. I always have. When people were saying that they couldn't form a decent half back partnership I said they would, and they have.

I don't think you've ever rated Burrow and I am not sure why. I think he's a cracking little player. Does stuff on his own, directs the team well and has a good kicking game though he gets shoved down the pecking after McGuire and Sinfield.

The half backs are even less to blame for our current malaise than our right centre, IMO. McGuire does get knocked off far too often but that had also become a problem for Burrow. I am more concerned about McGuire's lack of pace. Its' like watching iestyn at the Bulls (thought nowhere near as bad). He opens up the gap but can't get through it or around the man any more. If that pace/acceleration is gone forever he can be a playmaker but not in our current structure with a complete lack of runners. Same for any half back.

I like McLennan and hope he eclipses what Smith did. I don't think he's as good a coach and I think he is to blame for the way we're playing at the moment but there's plenty of time. What irks me was the latitude afforded Mcl;ennan by our fans and the lukewarm feeling towards Smith. I judge them on results, not personalities.

At this point in 2005 Leeds were the World Club Champions, still in the Challenge Cup and sat on top of the league:

Leeds Played 11, Won 10, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 448, Pts Agst 162

They were 7 points clear of Hull in third. They had lost just one of their previous twenty-five SL Regular Round fixtures.

Fast forward to 2009:

No longer World Club Champions and out of the Challenge Cup despite getting a home tie, = third in the League on points difference from Huddersfield, Wakefield and Castleford.

Leeds Played 11, Won 7, Drawn 0, Lost 4, Pts For 243, Pts Agst 151

Were we really that bad in 2005 by comparison?

Thought we were going great in 2005 until Senior got injured. The CC final was right in the middle of the run in at the end of the season and took a huge toll on us. I strongly believe that if Mark Calderwood had managed to hold onto that Hull grubber kick at the end of the cup final, we would have won the lot that year.

Good perspective on the situation. It is still only April, and agree it will be interesting to see how he addresses the lack of tempo. Energies seemed to be up against Huddersfield, but this apparently hasn't been maintained against Quins.

Having watched quins a few times this season, when they stick to there game plan and turn up as a team they are a good side and shouldn't be underestimated.

Obviously not maybe it's 2006 I'm thinking of or it could be that I've got a really bad memory and have been taken in by ER.

ATEOTD we aint playing particularly well at the moment but it is April FFS. McClennan has a fair bit of work to do to get us ticking over again but there is plenty of time. To use a cliche, its a marathon not a sprint.

If McClennan can get us top of the pile and win the GF he'll already have done better than Smith in his first two years IMO (what does it really matter though, both have done very good jobs). If he doesnt win the GF then he will still be behind Smith and if we finish trophyless questions need to be asked.

However,I personally think we'll come out of this little slump and go on to win SL again and McClennan will turn out in the long term to be one of Leeds best ever coaches.

As Gareth says I never disliked Mcclenan, I simply wanted him to be judged the same as Smith was.

Read it and weep........and this is just the half of it. I haven't even quoted any of Bywaters because quite frankly, there as just too much of it.







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Bwahahaha

I have been known to talk total $h1t at 12.30 on a Friday night after several beverages.



I will remove myslef from any high horse I may have attempted to climb onto...

Credit to you for coming back.

Anyone else got the cahones to come back and show their face?

I reckon they know you are out hunting!!

People should have the courage of their convictions. It's the same every year. Same old crap half way through the season and ultimately proved wrong.

I seem to recall a lot of questioning of uber coach McClennan mid season.

Seeing some of those threads again might be interesting also.

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I questioned our discipline and how he'd fix it and he did.

Hey, I can be pretty passionate. I had a few beers that night and I made a couple of posts to blow off steam. I am not going to be embarrased about that.

You could call me, and I could be, the biggest Whino fekkwitt alive, but you still wouldn't be able to wipe off the ear to ear grin I've had on my face since about 7.50pm yesterday evening.

$h1t, my boys' team I help coach even won their games yesterday and today..

The thing is that next seson the merry go round will begin again.

we'll be flat, lose a few and people will start saying things like:

''delaney is average, we need a strike centre''

''we didn't sign enough quality, too many unproven players''

''people have worked blueys tactics out''

blah blah

Too right, sometimes I just wonder if these people deserve to "support" this team, a team who have won 3 GF in a row and received nothing but stick during each of the 3 seasons.

I wouldn't say they've recieved nothing but stick.

They've still being back by the supporters throughout the season at games and when it mattered at old trafford.

Did you see how empty saints end was?

You'd never get that from us, no matter how unlikely a victory was.

I think that quite a lot of the questions about the squad, tactics and things were valid midway through the season.

In truth, McLennan has sorted out many of the issues, and done the business again. hetherington has addressed many squad issues, and we look stronger than ever for next year.

I think, in general we were fortunate with injuries, although by no means at full strength at any point in the season.

Were they? I think not. Not how they were put across anyway.

Anyway, its time ot disband this squad now, they've been together too long.