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| Quote ="RonnieGinger"We have injuries because our S&C coaches aren't good enough.'"
Which injuries to which players qualify your statement?
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| Embarrassed by a fairly average Wiggin. That Field is some player tho, shame no one on here wanted him 2 years ago.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Good interview from Agar not pulling punches, saying some players not performing and have played their way out of the team.'"
Let’s see if he’s as good as his word. I’d expect at least 3 or 4 changes for Thursday based on what he said tonight.
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| Quote ="christopher"We are, about 24 games.
If that was our first choice 17 you’d have some semblance of a point (and im being generous), i can all but guarantee every team bar saints will play crap like we have tonight.'"
Just too many of these performances over last few years, my optimism is jaded, really thought we had more to offer this year, 2 games in and I already cannot see where our first win will come from.
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| I'd have taken him, but for some BS reason PNG wouldn't sort out the captains passport.
Same old same old tonight. Dominated early on, but didn't put enough points on the board, then Wigan get jammy and get a roll on.
Disappointed kicking game is still dire with Gale gone. What's wrong with a grubber kick to get a repeat set?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Let’s see if he’s as good as his word. I’d expect at least 3 or 4 changes for Thursday based on what he said tonight.'"
I wonder who he was referring to?
Injuries may mean we have to play players who would otherwise be dropped.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"There’s a loooong way to go this season, anything can happen yet, but I want to see more input from Agar to improve the way we play both in games and between them.
We have the best S&C coach in the league now, we will be fit enough, so now we’re looking at the technical side and player roster. We’ve enough quality in the squad to defend robustly and challenge teams with the ball, I’m looking at the coach this year.'"
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| Quote ="Toosmooth"I'd have taken him, but for some BS reason PNG wouldn't sort out the captains passport.
Same old same old tonight. Dominated early on, but didn't put enough points on the board, then Wigan get jammy and get a roll on.
Disappointed kicking game is still dire with Gale gone. What's wrong with a grubber kick to get a repeat set?'"
Is the poor kicking game down to the players or what game plan they are playing to? With Sezer and Austin we have players capable of a good long and short kicking game, but it’s not been a highlight so far.
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| What difference does it make if people on a forum wanted Field or not? Leeds were interested, it just didn't work out.
Its early days but its quite possible we'll be 0-3 after Catalans. We certainly will be if we don't improve considerably. Catalans might not be a game for many changes, but Agar needs to act on poor individual performances.
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| Quote ="The Magic Rat"I wonder who he was referring to?
Injuries may mean we have to play players who would otherwise be dropped.'"
So I’d say from the back, Walker was poor but still plays, Tindall was OK. Briscoe is a joke at Centre, he can’t pass or create space so Broadbent must play next week. Sutcliffe is lucky we don’t have another option as he was anonymous. Austin and Sezer both play again but with rockets up their s. The forwards were poor overall. Tet isn’t living up to billing as Marquee for Leeds, and whilst Leeming was OK he needs to command those around him more. Prior did well. Mellor and Gannon were both outgunned for aggression, and Smith didn’t have his best game. The bench was really poor, Mik didn’t really have any impact, and Donno and Thompson shouldn’t be in the squad if we had better prop options. CJ was so far out of position at Centre I’m not even going to comment, the kid had no chance.
I’d say Broadbent comes in and Briscoe goes on the wing for Tindall. If Newman is fit he replaces Sutcliffe. Then we have to find another 2/3 options in the pack, maybe O’Connor for Donaldson and Dwyer for CJ. One thing is for certain, if Agar lets some of the forwards play again next week they know that this level of performance is OK whilst ever we’re a little short of numbers.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Im not sure Wigan looked much improved really. Most of the tries came from kicks. They are a very well organised defensive team, 2nd only to Saints IMO.
We will struggle to break them down. At full strength we are a better team than Wigan but we will never be at full strength.
Be interesting to see Austin partner Sezer to see how improved our attack is but we lack cutting edge and pace. Hopefully Newman plays.
Can see it being another low scoring game in Wigan. Even with several out we are capable of matching them. Its anyones game Friday i think.'"
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| Played 2
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Despit all the hype, still cant compete with the big boys.
Agent Agar continues to do the job..................
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| I thought the intensity dropped in the first half when Tetevano & Prior were off and you could see it. Agar eluded to this in his post match. One thing strikes me again from the game is the last play options and not applying pressure on the opposition goal line with kicks or the chance of repeat sets. Having said that, thought this was the case even with Gale last year.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"So I’d say from the back, Walker was poor but still plays, Tindall was OK. Briscoe is a joke at Centre, he can’t pass or create space so Broadbent must play next week. Sutcliffe is lucky we don’t have another option as he was anonymous. Austin and Sezer both play again but with rockets up their s. The forwards were poor overall. Tet isn’t living up to billing as Marquee for Leeds, and whilst Leeming was OK he needs to command those around him more. Prior did well. Mellor and Gannon were both outgunned for aggression, and Smith didn’t have his best game. The bench was really poor, Mik didn’t really have any impact, and Donno and Thompson shouldn’t be in the squad if we had better prop options. CJ was so far out of position at Centre I’m not even going to comment, the kid had no chance.
I’d say Broadbent comes in and Briscoe goes on the wing for Tindall. If Newman is fit he replaces Sutcliffe. Then we have to find another 2/3 options in the pack, maybe O’Connor for Donaldson and Dwyer for CJ. One thing is for certain, if Agar lets some of the forwards play again next week they know that this level of performance is OK whilst ever we’re a little short of numbers.'"
Some good calls.
Walker keeps his place as without Myler he is our best option imo. If Fuzzy isn't fit I would stick with Tindall. Thought he did well overall. Getting tackled into touch on the1st tackle was poor but I'm not sure any of our other wingers would have skinned Marshall so easily. Also Thought he dived a bit early when chasing Field, he would have caught him imo.
It would be nice to see Broadbent given a game at centre.
Sezer was the biggest disappointment for me. I can't imagine he will get dropped but that was poor tonight.
I was generally happy with Tet, Prior and Oledski. It's when they are not on the field that we dipped alarmingly, especially prior.
I think O'Connor deserves a chance and should be in the 17.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"So I’d say from the back, Walker was poor but still plays, Tindall was OK. Briscoe is a joke at Centre, he can’t pass or create space so Broadbent must play next week. Sutcliffe is lucky we don’t have another option as he was anonymous. Austin and Sezer both play again but with rockets up their s. The forwards were poor overall. Tet isn’t living up to billing as Marquee for Leeds, and whilst Leeming was OK he needs to command those around him more. Prior did well. Mellor and Gannon were both outgunned for aggression, and Smith didn’t have his best game. The bench was really poor, Mik didn’t really have any impact, and Donno and Thompson shouldn’t be in the squad if we had better prop options. CJ was so far out of position at Centre I’m not even going to comment, the kid had no chance.
I’d say Broadbent comes in and Briscoe goes on the wing for Tindall. If Newman is fit he replaces Sutcliffe. Then we have to find another 2/3 options in the pack, maybe O’Connor for Donaldson and Dwyer for CJ. One thing is for certain, if Agar lets some of the forwards play again next week they know that this level of performance is OK whilst ever we’re a little short of numbers.'"
Tindall doesn’t deserve to be dropped if Handley is injured, i thought he was actually probably the inly positive out of tonight
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"So I’d say from the back, Walker was poor but still plays, Tindall was OK. Briscoe is a joke at Centre, he can’t pass or create space so Broadbent must play next week. Sutcliffe is lucky we don’t have another option as he was anonymous. Austin and Sezer both play again but with rockets up their s. The forwards were poor overall. Tet isn’t living up to billing as Marquee for Leeds, and whilst Leeming was OK he needs to command those around him more. Prior did well. Mellor and Gannon were both outgunned for aggression, and Smith didn’t have his best game. The bench was really poor, Mik didn’t really have any impact, and Donno and Thompson shouldn’t be in the squad if we had better prop options. CJ was so far out of position at Centre I’m not even going to comment, the kid had no chance.
I’d say Broadbent comes in and Briscoe goes on the wing for Tindall. If Newman is fit he replaces Sutcliffe. Then we have to find another 2/3 options in the pack, maybe O’Connor for Donaldson and Dwyer for CJ. One thing is for certain, if Agar lets some of the forwards play again next week they know that this level of performance is OK whilst ever we’re a little short of numbers.'"
A fair summing up, apart from briscoe, I wouldn’t have him in the squad in any position. Worryingly tonight we looked a soft team ,when we come under any pressure we fold. On the other side of the coin we aren’t having much luck. The yellow card was a joke and the first Wigan try was freak.
Plus as per normal we have suffered some more injuries. None of this had any bearing on the result but it certainly didn’t help our cause.
At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious the Catalan game is a must win game. To start the season with 3 defeats when everything looked so promising would be a disaster.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Yes he is,
We made wigan look far better than they are like Hull kR last week
Yep season all but over, all our deficiencies shown up today.'" After two games ffs
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| Walker probably deserves some slack he’s been out for an awful long time, its only his second game back
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"A fair summing up, apart from briscoe, I wouldn’t have him in the squad in any position. Worryingly tonight we looked a soft team ,when we come under any pressure we fold. On the other side of the coin we aren’t having much luck. The yellow card was a joke and the first Wigan try was freak.
Plus as per normal we have suffered some more injuries. None of this had any bearing on the result but it certainly didn’t help our cause.
At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious the Catalan game is a must win game. To start the season with 3 defeats when everything looked so promising would be a disaster.'"
What’s disappointing is we didn’t look soft last week, our line speed and agression in defence was outstanding, to see it drop off this week was as i say disappointing
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| I can't remember if it was 6-0 or 6-6 at the time, but the Tindall break was a big turning point. Even if he didn't score we'd have continued to build pressure. I don't blame the lad, it's part of the learning curve and it's great to have moments to get you out of your seat.
I think the first try was both a fluke and as pointed out in the analysis an incorrect call by the VR.
Those two events really zapped our momentum, and we'd looked pretty decent until that point.
Agree with others though that when Prior and Tet went off, then we lost Smith to injury, we just had nothing in the middle. We lost momentum and never got it back again. 2nd half was pathetic.
We don't seem to be getting the rub of the green though yet this season. Another soft yellow card, a could more injuries, and a couple of iffy video ref calls
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| Quote ="Frosty12"I thought the intensity dropped in the first half when Tetevano & Prior were off and you could see it. Agar eluded to this in his post match. One thing strikes me again from the game is the last play options and not applying pressure on the opposition goal line with kicks or the chance of repeat sets. Having said that, thought this was the case even with Gale last year.'"
That’s down to Oledsjki not being fit and missing Martin (outstanding last week in defence) and Bentley (he’s very very good on his day). It also stands out like a sore thumb the lack of another good prop.
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| Quote ="christopher"What’s disappointing is we didn’t look soft last week, our line speed and agression in defence was outstanding, to see it drop off this week was as i say disappointing'"
We didn't look soft in the first 20 either. But we weakened when we did our rotations. Donaldson and Thompson on together is a big no
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| Quote ="christopher"What’s disappointing is we didn’t look soft last week, our line speed and agression in defence was outstanding, to see it drop off this week was as i say disappointing'"
Yep that’s the big thing for me. I actually didn’t expect to win tonight but I did expect a good performance and a close game. Not good. Not good at all.
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| Quote ="christopher"What’s disappointing is we didn’t look soft last week, our line speed and agression in defence was outstanding, to see it drop off this week was as i say disappointing'"
Correct, certain players on display tonight definitely not up for it. Big chance next week to redeem themselves. Personally I think we will win.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Correct, certain players on display tonight definitely not up for it. Big chance next week to redeem themselves. Personally I think we will win.'"
Its a real good test of the players next week, ill be extra disappointed if there isn’t a positive reaction from them.
Even if we lose it isn’t season over despite what some on here think.
The reaction is key for me
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