You know exactly what I am trying to achieve - the fact that you seem unwilling to type Hull are in the top 8 and Leeds are not says much about you when you back is against the wall "There both in SL until one isn't"



Not sure how being champions and not in the top 8 is not bad as not getting to a GF but still being in the top 8 - I know which one I would consider to be more calamitous - sadly you are the only person who seems incapable of fathoming that out. It is pretty obvious who is the idiot here

Quite. You had better ask GH as he was in charge of recruitment and the purse strings. I have no idea what conversations they had an neither have you.

I have always blamed Hetherington but only an idiot would absolve macdermott too.

You are splitting hairs. The question was not about who finished higher between Leeds and Hull, but it was about how injuries have seriously effected the performance of both sides this season.

It is not just the problem of playing without half your first team for half the season but you choose to ignore the obvious knock on effect on those first teamers that has to take on the role of the bigger men week in and week out and the effect on the less experienced and younger reserves.

The new coaching set up are finding out that most of the squad that are now fit are physically and mentally tired and therefore the change of coach has not brought about any improvement despite claiming to have made giant strides

And only an idiot would blame the coach for events outside his control. The lack of any improvement since the new coaches took over, despite having the benefit of new short term signings and players returning from injury, should have given you a clue

I would say it has improved. we took 3 points more than the previous God knows how many SL games. much more improvement needed I agree but nice to see you still try not to criticise macdermott

But had the coach not destroyed the youth set up during his tenure, he might well have had answers to his problems. Hetherington is not blameless, in the fact this went over his head, but McDermott clearly ruined the ongoing developments of players and the youth set up. Something seen by quite a few at the start, who stated at the time what would happen.

We also had a poor League status!

Right, back to business after the WIRES defeat - lol !

Good to hear that Leeds have been focussing on fitness over the long break, according to Walters in the YEP. But how on earth did the club end up in a position where a full time professional squad aren't fit enough to compete?

Genuine question, how much can be achieved fitness-wise in a couple of weeks? Its been a long time since I was even close to fit, but I would have thought if you were already close, you could get quite a lot done in 2 weeks?

It also allows them time to get over niggly injuries that might have been hampering their physical output

This weeks predictions, do you agree ?

Leeds - V- HKR
Toulouse - V - Widnes
Toronto - V - London
Halifax - V - Salford

HKR looking strong, can we hold out for the last 20 minutes, or will it cost us yet again !

Wins for
HKR
Widnes
Toronto
Salford

Leeds
toulouse
agree other 2

Leeds
Widnes
Toronto
Salford

Same.

For me
Leeds
Widnes
Toronto
Salford

Defo Salford a banker for a win

Have you backed Leeds to win a game yet?

As it happens I agree with you on this one

if toulouse win then widnes are gone

Widnes will have a hell of a struggle. I'm glad we didn't have to play Toulouse in France.

I'm backing us to win Halifax and Toronto, but sadly to lose against Salford.
I would really like to win on the plastic pitch at Widnes, but history shows 2 wins in 6 years, (included this years cup game)

Classic Sal.

very odd hull. coped really well with loads of injuries then fell to bits when players returned.

I can’t see Radford lasting to the end of the season, it makes sense for them to change coach now with nothing to play for. I hope they don’t poach Dave Furner.

Give em Brian Mcd !