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| But isn't the point that in this day and age we shouldn't even be having conversations about race? The issue is surely making RL available to all communities, and I mean that in a geographical sense and not ethnic as all parts of Leeds are populated with people from all different heritage. If we make RL available more to communities in the centre and north of Leeds then we'll get players coming through of all backgrounds and the sport, and our small part of the world, will be all the better for it.
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| Jeez, someone tell this guy to give it up. You cant say half-caste. Its offensive.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Damo think your taking my comments totally the wrong way unfortunately. The reason I said don't include half castes is because we have many fantastic half castes players in our game and the sport is all the better for it. Look at Watkins at Leeds as a prime example.
Half caste lads are playing RL and coming thru and nobody is more pleased to see that than me.
My comments are not racist in anyway I want to see the England team have another Hanley, Powell, Offiah, Nickle, Drummond as it used to have. The potential is huge and we need to tap into it. Why aren't they coming through?
I bet in Super League there are less than 10 playing and that cannot be right.'"
I'm really not!!
Just step back, look at what you've said and the reaction it's caused. You're saying that you want to see more black players. Others, and me, are saying that the colour of the player is irrespective. The game needs to getting more youngsters involved full stop.
You're failing to acknowledge that you're segregating people because you don't consider them to be out and out black. That's ridiculous!!!
My parents are both black Jamicans but I've always been told that I'm British and my colour has nothing to do with that. Its the same for my kids!!
That's the last I'll say because I honestly don't think you'll accept you've made a mistake in what you've said
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I genuinely don't want this to sound how it may sound to some.
Why aren't out and out black kids coming thru into RL? We have half castes playing the sport but how many coloured lads play the game at junior level and why aren't they coming through? I remember watching players like Des Drummond, Roy Powell, Henderson Gill, Ellery Hanley who was all magnificent athletes. Look at McGillvray at Hudds, strong, powerful and fast. Coloured people seem to be genuinely better athletic people than whites.
What are the club's foundations, the RFL doing in places such as Chapeltown in Leeds to develop the game and get those kids playing?
I often hear our foundation is in places like Adel and Otley, sorry but those kids ain't gonna play RL.
How many out and out coloured players are currently in SL? Not that many. McGillvray, Springer, Matongo at Hull. Very few.
Seems a large potential talent pool that is untapped to me.
90% of NFL is black. RL should be attractive to these lads. Why isn't it? I genuinely would love to know.
As I say this isn't in any way meant in a racist way, quite the opposite.
We need these lads playing RL.'"
Jesus wept this is all wrong on so many levels, I don't know where to start, it's like an excerpt from the film get out.
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| Quote ="D4mo78"I'm really not!!
Just step back, look at what you've said and the reaction it's caused. You're saying that you want to see more black players. Others, and me, are saying that the colour of the player is irrespective. The game needs to getting more youngsters involved full stop.
You're failing to acknowledge that you're segregating people because you don't consider them to be out and out black. That's ridiculous!!!
My parents are both black Jamicans but I've always been told that I'm British and my colour has nothing to do with that. Its the same for my kids!!
That's the last I'll say because I honestly don't think you'll accept you've made a mistake in what you've said'"
I do not think he gets it on any level, not sure it's deliberate and he's digging his hells in, or just generally ignorant, probably thinks it's PC gone mad, or "Snowflakes" but hopefully he has just tried to make a point very badly.
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| ‘Not being racist, but these dark lads are fast! Is it all the running from the police they do?’
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| As my 1st post said I understand why people would take it the way people have but I genuinely do not mean it the way people have taken it.
If people take it offensively I apologise.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"As my 1st post said I understand why people would take it the way people have but I genuinely do not mean it the way people have taken it.
If people take it offensively I apologise.'"
Well as a start stop using the terms 'half-caste' and 'coloured'! Even when some one pointed out the offence this might cause, you still used the terms again in your next post.
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| The world has gone mad.
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| These days if you say you’re English you’ll be arrested and thrown in jail, these days.
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| If you feel you need to start a post with 'I genuinely don't want this to sound how it may sound to some' doesn't that tell you that you know it needs more consideration? I'm all for people being frank and honest, and have little time for people who look for offence in posts or comments when it isn't there, but you don't need to be a snowflake to feel that some of the language floating about on this thread should be left in the 1950's. I know we're all children of our time, but there are some areas where we need to make sure we change our language and the way we use it - I don't believe Marty's sentiment in the first post was racist, but the pervading use of words which are casually racist is one reason why racism remains an issue in society.
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| I wonder what Major Ballard Berkeley with think of this thread?
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| The world has gone mad for many reasons, trying to rid it of casual racism isn’t one of those reasons.
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| looking forwards to the Leeds test. been watching these games years. always great to watch
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| Cant wait tad ill be there.
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| I'll give you a ring mate
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| hopefully catch up matt
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| Great to see that the Scholarship and Academy programme put in place 4 years ago now paying dividends. A good few years of hard work gone on by a lot of people im guessing?
Great to see really good numbers representing England at both Scholarship and Academy Level this year. As a watcher of both ages i can say that the future is really bright!! Well done all involved over the years Keep it going!
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| Quote ="tad rhino"hopefully catch up matt'"
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| sure I'll catch you at some point
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| England beat Australia 14-8 at Leigh in awful conditions. It wasn't a day for expansive rugby, but England played the conditions far better. Harry Smith was particularly outstanding.
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| Of the Leeds players Newman & Holroyd were really strong.
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"Of the Leeds players Newman & Holroyd were really strong.'"
yep, i thought they both looked strong today, and Mustapha went ok in the minutes he got
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