After those two other defeats you had you mean?

I know you guys have on the whole been quite happy with what Agar has done since he joined you, but I will never be convinced that he is a good coach. He isn't the answer for you.

Yeah we know that. It was only ever a short term plan when we were desperate.
We wouldn't need to sack him either as he'd happily go back to director of rugby or whatever he was before. The bigger problem is the lack of fitness and quality in the squad. Without an in form Gale we are clueless...

That depends what the question is and how you see the club at the minute.

If you look at Leeds like the golden generation era and say we should be winning everything then no he probably isnt the answer
but that era has gone and it isnt reality to expect that of the club at the moment.

If the question is do we need a steady hand to steer the club in the right direction to lay a platform for possible future success then i believe he is the answer. If you look at where the club was the week he took over to where we are now hes done a decent job. Ok, Covid has given kids games they probably wouldnt have got but theres been some positives there. Hes lifted a trophy and hes worked well with Sinfield.

Lets not forget it was Daryl Powell that started the golden period by steadying a mess of a ship and developing a spirit with young players that led to the success after. Thats probably where we are at the minute.

sinfield dor do we need one never mind 2 , decent coach probably won't want one

even going from not likely to play to dream team gale still a stop gap - although now his thumb- historically loyal to the 70s side and some of the golden generation , though ruthless with the sheffield cull 2003 - when wigan were successful they were ruthless with players /coaches and we stayed 2nd with their cast offs, hanley excepted

Lack of fitness ? that's Jason Davidson's dept is it not ? he is a permanent fixture at the club, absolutely fireproof it would seem

Strange move to go back to Davidson on the Strength/Conditioning side this season, one of the early decisions Sinfield made when he became DOR was to remove Davidson from the role.

Sorry you have lost me on control police.

4 out 5 with our I jury list what else other than the performance against HKR which was dire but the other games the team showed great guts and team spirit.

When you have a team with large number of average players you end up with an average side. This is where Leeds are right now - when you have Donaldson, Leeming, Martin, Mellor, Briscoe x2, Thompson, Dwyer in your side you will struggle - the club needs an overall of both the playing squad and the coaching/fitness approach if it wants to be challenging to win the SL again. How many of these players would feature at Saints, Wigan, Warrington, Hull?

For me what’s so frustrating is that it’s totally unacceptable being towards the bottom end of the league for a club like Leeds. I know it’s early and it’s not panic stations yet but we need to get a win or two soon regardless of injuries as if we don’t confidence will be rock bottom and we’ll get stuck in a rut.

Leeds should be challenging towards the top end of the league most seasons and accept nothing less. We’re clearly hugely reliant on Gale Hurrell Tetevano being fully fit and firing. Without those we lack the leadership and strike to win games.

Hull?

Did you expect us to beat Cas, Saints and Wigan with the teams we had out? You cant possibly have done if your honest

with salary cap should be feasible for anyone to be top or bottom but that hasn't worked out and currently better signings going to wigan, sts, warr than us

Nope I didn’t and that’s not what I’m saying. We need to get some games won soon with the players we have available.

Im sure we will be fine.

Glad you are

We’re not going to get relegated this season but some heads will roll if we end up in a dogfight for it.

We’re a solid mid-table side right now (and that’s progress).

To climb up we’re going to have to make some better senior recruitment decisions. We have a base of youth now; we need stardust.

I know it’s hard but our main competition have found ways to out-recruit us for some time now.

Absolutely agree.

Jimbo you told us all we was challengers this year.....

I'm not sure 'solid mid table' Is progress. This is some drawn out transition phase.

We can't rant judge where we'd have been with a fitter squad. We've been absolutely decimated by injury, far far worse than any other team....
Unfortunately that's threatening to ruin our season... Not sure there writings have been any other solution to the start we've had, and likely to have for the next month or so.
Moving forwards we need to be able to pay without Gale as his age and injuries will mean he wasn't okay every game. Also need to make sine big calls on Senior player retainment /signings for next year...

I agree Shabino. Injuries have done us so far but so has a lack of discipline. A fully fit squad has the potential to challenge top 4 and no team can cope with the numbers weve had out but there are issues with the squad.

I do think when Mikolaj, Prior and Tetevano are on the pitch we have a decent pack but a top class partner for Gale has to be a priority. Clearly Lui is the best option at the club at the minute but his injury has killed that and hes not the answer going forward either.

We currently have Lui, Martin, King V and Thompson taking up 4 overseas spots. Are they really the quality you want from your overseas quota? Not easy to attract NRL players these days but im sure we can get a lot better than those 4.

We gave Thompson, Donaldson, Dwyer, Leeming and Briscoe new extended deals. Incredible.

Look, KR apart the team has competed well with heavily depleted teams. Fri was a big letdown, were better than that. We need a response from the team this week. We arent as bad as we think we are but we can do better.

Great post. Think Hudds looking alot better on paper. Kr was the game we needed to win. How we go depends on whether we can get some confidence back...

Lui Martin Prior and King V all off contract. I think only Lui so far is the one who won't be offered a new deal. Martin needs to improve and far too early to judge King V. Prior may retire but if he does decide to do another 12 months then the club will I'm sure take him up on this.