When did you last win the championship chump? 1954-55. big club my ar$e.

Poor attempt at trolling

Brent Webb was unbelievably bad for you tonight! It looked like he could'nt care less whenever he made a mistake, i would replace him right away as since he has made it clear he is leaving he looks uninterested and was pathetic tonight1

Trophies won since 2009...

Wire 2
Leeds 2
Wigan 2
Saints 0

Will agree with that. Strong rumour Tony Smith is 'going home' next season to Oz. Parramatta is his likely destination for next season. Once Morley and Briers hang up their boots you are finished.

2009 the birth of rugby league

Did Rugby League start in 2009? No.

I am in no mood to be having this conversation tonight,well played Wigan by the way,but Wire have been very good for the last 3 years ,but I would put Hullfc bigger than you ,and on recent history Bradford Bulls.At present you are just bigger than Huddersfield.Thats all I am saying on this subject.If we are going by trophies won I bet Huddersfield have won more than you.What is your criteria for saying you are at least as big as Leeds and bigger than saints and these other clubs?if its not trophies won throughout history,then what is it?

Rugby began in 2009 when Wire had an influx of fans...

I am in contact with quite a few Wire fans,who have followed them through all the bad times,and they would be a little annoyed at you sayng things like that

touchy touchy.....you want your coach to go after winning the grand final world club championship and being runners up in the challenge cup final(AGAIN



)get a grip you lot had a bad night against a very good wigan team...it happens in sport,whos to say you wont get your revenge in the cc semi...cheer up you cud be a saints fan...

Please show me where I have said anything like that?I have just joined in a conversation where I agreed with a saints fan and a wigan fan.I have not once tonight said anything about that game.You see if you see my sig my location meanswhat it says.I wasn't at the game,so I was merely reading through the reactions to the game,but I happen to think Warrington are not as big as Saints.

I defended your Grand Final winning coach on this board after your thumping by the Pies last week when he got a load of stick and calls for his head.

However....

Having seen you at first hand tonight I can see why you want him gone. That must be the worst Leeds team in a decade, they were simply canon fodder for a top side like Wire.

Anyway, the mighty Wire march on.

That's because you have a coach and we don't!

After todays humiliation, I wouldn't be suprised to see the anti-McDermott brigade come out the woodwork again.

Remember he was getting slaughtered this time last year...and look what happened, he proved you all wrong.

Brian is a top class coach. Have faith.

In the SL Regular Rounds Leeds under McDermott:

Played 54, Won 31, Drawn 1, Lost 22, Pts For 1580, Pts Agst 1265 (Avg Scr 29-23) 58%

In percentage terms that places him somewhere between Dean Bell (44%) who inherited an impossible task and Dean Lance (59%) who had a hard act to follow in Murray and ultimately lost the dressing room and had to be replaced.

(I've used the regular rounds as an indicative measure as it eliminates favourable and/or unfavourable cup draws but others may wish to include them for the overall picture.)

For me the concern is games against the likes of Wigan ,Wire and ST's the 2 losses against Giants this year ,away at Ull and the awful performance away at Odslum.
Don't get me wrong winning the GF was outstanding last year and an heroic against all odds effort and the CC semi win was also a quality win against the odds but i think they are the last big swings of an ageing fighter waiting for the "Younger Hungry champ Elect" to come along and take the throne.

For me is the concern that we (the fans) turned up and they (the players) didn't. If McDermott therefore cannot motivate what the eff can he do???????

It's the player's responsibility to be a[irse[/id, it's the coach's responsibility to ship them out of the club if they aren't.

...in our case isn't it more GH's responsibility? That leads to stability as coaches come and go, but can undermine the coach's authority as players know there is someone above the coach in the hierarchy.

That's where I'd defend McDermott. I'm sure he has input into signings and players leaving, but the squad in the end is largely the creation of GH. That's a tough position for any coach to be in.

Particularly when half of it feels it can pick and choose when to perform.

Lack of depth below the "best" 17 is breeding complacency.

Like Rhinoms my concern is our performances against the top teams. IIRC we've only beaten Wire and Catalans in the league and Wigan in the cup who are above us in the table. And Wire were dreadful in the game we beat them in. Also when we have lost to those teams we've been blown away by them. We've often mounted a little rally but nowhere near what's required in those games. If we play well and still get beaten by a top team like Wire or Wigan I think people can accept that, it's the "non-performance" in those games that has been disappointing.
Plus our defence lacks any bite against the top teams, our poor defence kept Wigan in the game in the semi final when we should have been out of sight.

Andy, It would be a nice if outside the initial 17 were given a chance to prove if any depth there. The major problem is this idiot picking the very same 17 players every week, despite how they play. That is why you get complacent performaces.

Losing to Huddersfield isn't really a surprise, let's be honest, if you take away the blue and amber spectacles. We are way behind the top four teams, and only on a level this season with the likes of Hull and Huddersfield. Even Bradford who everybody laughed at at the start of the season beacause of their weak squad, would have finished very close to us despite a six point dedution and the major financial problems they have had.

Our coach is clueless, absolutely clueless, and certain players are getting picked purely on historical performances, rather than up to date.

Best thing that can happen for Leeds, IMO, is to lose on Saturday. There needs to be no scrapping of the barrell, and reality needs to set in on the board of directors.

I'd have thought it fairly common for personnel decisions to be made above the coach. Coaches tend to only be around for two or three years, so have too short term a view to be in charge of personnel.

Agree with all of this Gotcha.
It would be nice to see if the likes of Singleton, Chisholm etc could cut it in the first team if given the chance.
Strange how the likes of Ward and Keinhorst have slotted in so well when given the chance.
Playing JP yesterday for the full 80 minutes (I think) is a disgrace.
Yes I know we had no other options on the day .But JP should not have even played yesterday. We had able deputies who did not even make the squad.
I am not qualified enough to say if McDermott is a tactically good coach.
When Huddersfield went down to 12 men why didn`t we try and compress their attack by moving more in field instead of defending out wide?
That to me is a fundemental simple approach to coaching.

The Wakefield match without stating the blindingly obvious is a big test for Brian Mac. I am amused at people on other sites saying the rhinos can't be bothered until the vital play off matches, then they go into overdrive and start to win matches. If only it was that simple,our success last year was due to Danny
Mc Guire and JP hitting top form after coming back after serious injuries.
By and large when we have been beaten this season we have played poorly and deserved to be beaten. Also poor team selection has played a big part,playing JP
yesterday was ridiculous.
On the bright side we have won the world club final and been to wembly some
clubs could only dream those kind of games. I am looking forward to the Wakefield, match because Wakefield will be up for it. Which Rhinos team will
turn up. This looks to be a fascinating match.