It's not how you start it's how you finish.Is that the saying? Any team can lose their first game it doesn't automatically mean a failure to prepare.I agree on the conditioning point though.Could you imagine bielsa picking a playing who had shown up 5 kilos over weight? I appreciate some of the big lads have big appetites and find it hard to shed the weight but lui,hurrell and ava have let the club down imo.

Bit harsh in hurrell seeing as he's just lost his mum

He was borderline before that.

There’s no doubt Agar and his staff haven’t done a very good job in getting us ready for the re start but let’s not go over the top with criticism on some of the players. Get behind them and we’ll get back on track. There’s lots of work to do but you can’t knock the squads attitude up to last night.

My thoughts are as follows
It's was a poor performance
Must people accepted we be some way off challenging the season
We've lost by 50 to the team that's streets ahead of the rest, with half a team out

We're about where is expect us to be after the last couple of years debarcles

Even the 2004 Leeds team took a heavy beating to Saints. We'll get past it

So true.
If anyone can find the archive of the meltdown going on in this place from April 30th 2004 or from 9th July 2005 I'll buy them a cardboard cut out of a group of head fans doing a conga in Perpignan.

That 2004 Team was full of home grown talent & good to top quality signings though.
They also had a quality Coach & despite defeats anyone could see there was a very good Team & good planning wrt recruitment & retention.
Just for some comparison Adamson Mcdonald Franny Cummings & Dunneman couldnt get in that 17 all of them walk into our current 1st choice 17.
Also the likes of the Briscoes Evans Lui Crosby Donaldson wouldnt even be at the Club.

Apparently this was our first home nilling in the superleague era. I think that speaks volumes about the current state of this current set up. We looked clueless from start to finish, but worse than that we didn't look bothered about the tonking being dished out to us. I struggle to remember a worse performance.

Weve had far worse performances against a lot worse opposition in the last few years IMO

Can we start an Agar out thread yet or not?

Does anyone actually think we're going to progress forward with Agar as manager? A win here and there isn't going to do it.

He reminds me of Brendan Hill.

"For the live of Allah" etc....etc....etc....

I think there is already one, i think it was started as satire though



We’ve already progressed with him as coach, we were in a right state when he took over, I realise its hard for some to look passed the last game but we look far better than when he took over, I don’t think long term he is the man for us but then I don’t think the club think so either

Point of order - it’s ‘For the live of Allah...”

Corrected

Not sure how any coach would have got a significantly better result with the players he had available. When we get some of the key injured players back plus possibly 2 more decent signings I’ll be happy to judge his ability. Until then we will struggle against the top 2 or 3 teams.

So that team we put out was worse than Salford's
We should have gone for Watson,the best current coach for getting the best out of average performers.

To be honest yes I think it was a worse team than Salford. A few players back though can make a huge difference.

Hurrell, for example, (for all the faults he may have) is always dangerous and sides have to put more defenders on him. He can score from nothing and that can have a massive impact on the game. Put him, Ward Walker and 1 or 2 others in and it turns an average team into a good one.

It's not that one man makes all the difference but one piece of brilliance can just lift a team, give the half backs a tiny bit more time and space and get the forwards on the front foot etc.

We need to add to the squad and have some luck keeping players fit.

I don't think many coaches would have got a significantly better result with the team we had out against the team that Saints had out that were looking very good.

I admit we are not in a brilliant place, but the spanking we took at home to Wigan in 2012 is very similar. That team had so many stars and still got embarrassed in their own patch.

This team I think we all admit is in transition. We've had some decent wins so far this season and even sat top for a bit. I'd take that over the last two seasons where we've been sitting bottom at this stage

That’s far too sensible, to some the wins don’t matter, only the losses and you can’t take anything from a good win only from a loss, we could finish in the top 4 this year and people would still bang in about the losses and not look at any positives.

It also seems people cannot look beyond the last game as if that must be the true test of where the team is at - it’s not, as has been pointed out sometimes teams get a good spanking even championship winning ones (see us against cas in 2017)

To some that GF win probably doesnt count cos Cas were poop on the night lol.

They are history - what impact do they have on what happened on Sunday?

Absolutely nothing and no one said it did, we were both using the past to prove a point about the present.

If anyone had come on here after we nilled Warrington and said we were going to be champions and everything was great all the players were too notch etc etc, it would be rightly said to be daft and an over reaction. That’s no different from everyone over reacting to a bad loss, which this forum always does.

we probably are overacheiving so far. i think we hit our maximum capabilities for this group before lockdown whilst others were off the pace leading to us being around the top. Warrington being one team way off and even Saints were levels off their best. Since the restart we have been way off and we can't afford to be anything too far below our maximum or we will be exposed badly as has happened the last games, i know we beat Hudds but it was poop in the main.
be interesting to see the response this week.