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| it's not results it performances.
if smith gets all the plaudits for taking us to a grand final he should take respowhen it goes wrong.
it's a shambles. total and utter shambles and the main responsibility is smiths
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| Think some on here are turning it into a football forum. Coaching merry go round doesn’t work. Just look at the other team they worship!
Rohan gets 3 years. Let’s see what he’s implemented by then….
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| Quote ="tad rhino"arthur, saints haven't done badly with their Australian coaches.'"
So who would you go for Tad?
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| arthur, I have no idea who is rated or available in Australia. over here there's little quality and even less available.
but it's not my job to know.
I do know, and it's my opinion and I've said it for a while, smith simply isn't good enough. and his left field ideas don't work. I know you disagree and I've no issues with that. it's a forum. we all have different views.
long may that continue
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| Quote ="tad rhino"arthur, I have no idea who is rated or available in Australia. over here there's little quality and even less available.
but it's not my job to know.
I do know, and it's my opinion and I've said it for a while, smith simply isn't good enough. and his left field ideas don't work. I know you disagree and I've no issues with that. it's a forum. we all have different views.
long may that continue'"
I totally accept that. For me, what Smith achieved last season counted for a lot, but with each loss (especially these last two) the scales start to tilt the other way. Thing is - if the board did push the button tomorrow I genuinely wouldn't know where any coaching search was headed. The likes of Flanagan etc always get thrown out there but it's abundantly clear they aren't interested. The brutality of the Furner sacking (I'm not suggesting he was the answer) has done us no favours in Oz. I just have very little stomach for another "exhaustive search" for the right man. I'm not sure there is a right man for the current playing squad. That is the truly shameful thing. I just that hope that whatever happens regarding coaching the decision is taken with a clear head and without emotion.
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| I think that's a great post. j just can't see this ending happily
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| Quote ="tad rhino"I think that's a great post. j just can't see this ending happily'"
I was there today. Believe me, you couldn't spot a happy ending with the hubble telescope. Just awful.
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| Agree with the last few posts.
Furner was probably a decent choice but to pick up a football link.
He was too Brian Clough wanting to get rid of the players too quickly and it didn`t go down well with certain yesterdays heroes at the club.
The players or some of them today were the ones who turned over Wigan, Catalans and Saints.
So something has gone wrong recently and it could be some players have been told they won`t be here next year.
I`ve always thought contracts should run until the end of a season and negotiations only take place when the season is over.
No idea who is available but completely left field other than Ryan Carr . How about Lee Briers?
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| Briers no thanks.
mate of mine is a first team physio at leeds utd. he says allerdyce had something about him an aura, that when he spoke players listened. he said he wished he had been brought in last December. we need an allerdyce/graham Murray senior figure. if only for 2 years
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| Quote ="tad rhino"Briers no thanks.
mate of mine is a first team physio at leeds utd. he says allerdyce had something about him an aura, that when he spoke players listened. he said he wished he had been brought in last December. we need an allerdyce/graham Murray senior figure. if only for 2 years'"
When we hired Murray he had just coached Hunter Mariners to the final of the World Club Championship. He was a hot property. Even back in 98 getting Murray was something of a coup, nowadays it would be a miracle. I just wish it was as simple as opening up the chequebook, but those days are long gone.
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| Ryan Carr is coaching St George and Briers is the attack coach at Brisbane. Neither of those are realistic.
Tim Sheens maybe available soon
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| Remember everyone Nothing Is Won in May!
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| Quote ="tad rhino"it's not results it performances.
if smith gets all the plaudits for taking us to a grand final he should take respowhen it goes wrong.
it's a shambles. total and utter shambles and the main responsibility is smiths'"
Couldn’t agree more Tad. I’m absolutely raging about that today. Embarrassing to say the least. Honestly I’m just lost for words and I’ve no idea how we turn this around. Smith did a great job last year but this year after his first full offseason it’s gone horribly wrong… that today snd against Cas is as bad as it was under Agar.. something needs to be done.
No point sacking Smith yet imo, we’re not going down and we’re not getting in the playoffs… time start planning for next season and how we get out of this sh*t show and get our great club back to where it belongs
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| Agree with these points. How does Tad know that Smith isn't taking responsibility for the bad stuff? Wouldn't it be more responsible for him to roll up his sleeves and try to put it right?
After all, he could walk now and complain that he never had the ability to sign the players he really wanted because of the salary cap. I would be massively disappointed in him if he did this.
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| why does he persistent with his off the wall brand of rl that obviously is failing? badly. he is responsible and stubborn.
not good enough
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| " it was a good game of footy " yes Smith we played crap again and lost .
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| I suspect what happens with Smith is no all to do with how much recruitment is already in the bag. If we have allot of deals all ready in/or almost in the bag, and results are down to some OC players just not giving a ****. Then GH will probably back smith snd write the season off similar to Warrington last year.
If little recruitment is done and players still playing for new deals then Smith is in trouble and will likely get the boot.
Of course neither could be the case and there for we are really clueless and clearly up s*** creek.
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| It's his approach to tactics I don't get. Slow line speed, passive defence, little pressure on the ruck in defence, no attempt to slow the other team down too much. No territory or possession game. No pessure on the opposition. I can't believe he doesn't understand why applying pressure is so important so you've got to conclude he consciously doesn't do it.
Contrast that with Penrith Panthers for example, one of the best teams around. Panthers suffocate their opposition, like to play the game in the opponent's half, make the opponent bring the ball back from their own line. Fast line speed. And it works.
I just don't get why Smith thinks doing the opposite of this would be successful.
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| its been based on some energy conserving philosophy that we dont have the players for (im not sure any team would) thats why i think he has to go as hes clearly got a fundamental approach which is never going to work. Short kick offs were quickly binned as a bad idea and in patches other things have too, ie the occassional pressure on the kicker. Its all over the place.
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Couldn’t agree more Tad. I’m absolutely raging about that today. Embarrassing to say the least. Honestly I’m just lost for words and I’ve no idea how we turn this around. Smith did a great job last year but this year after his first full offseason it’s gone horribly wrong… that today snd against Cas is as bad as it was under Agar.. something needs to be done.
No point sacking Smith yet imo, we’re not going down and we’re not getting in the playoffs… time start planning for next season and how we get out of this sh*t show and get our great club back to where it belongs'"
I can 100% guarantee this time next year we’ll be saying exactly the same thing - “time to sit tight and start planning for next season”.
Just relentlessly writing seasons off and “planning for the next one”.
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| Quote ="Seth"its been based on some energy conserving philosophy that we dont have the players for (im not sure any team would) thats why i think he has to go as hes clearly got a fundamental approach which is never going to work. Short kick offs were quickly binned as a bad idea and in patches other things have too, ie the occassional pressure on the kicker. Its all over the place.'"
Energy conservation? Be fit so you can play at high intensity for longer periods.
If Smith’s undying philosophy is purposefully playing at lower intensity to be fresher he needs to be sacked now, this second.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"I can 100% guarantee this time next year we’ll be saying exactly the same thing - “time to sit tight and start planning for next season”.
Just relentlessly writing seasons off and “planning for the next one”.'"
Have you flip flopped again? I seem to remember you singing Rohan’s praises the other week.
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| If you were to pick a coach from SL - Rowley would be the obvious choice. No way the players would get away with performances like those they are turning out for Smith.
Others I like Briers definitely with an assistant such as Lingard from Batley. NRL - Ryan Carr would be my choice.
Smith has much to prove - given its touch and go whether he will be a success I would want minimal input from him in respect of player recruitment
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| If we believe Craig Harrison then Rohan has had nothing to do with the recruitment up to now.
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| He probably doesn't have much to do with negotiations, but he'll definitely taking a lead role in player ID
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