IMHO The club can't be allowed to drift. Agar has said he did not expect the role and does not want it, he will only be able to continue if we beat London or possibly Wakey. If we lose both we will be at best bottom with Hull KR with games coming up v saints, Wigan and Catalan, 3 more defeats.

Would Caddick / GH allow this to just roll on and sleepwalk into the championship.

In all businesses you need a plan and someone driving that plan, having Agar just holding the fort is not acceptable.

sinfield has put in place a new model and said after Furner was sacked that the model is still the right one. That is him as DOR, agar as head of development or whatever and a head coach and an assistant coach. At present the model is not fulfilled and if Sinfield thinks it's right he needs to recruit a new head coach and assistant.

This holding position with Agar is only acceptable if someone is lined up for next year like Powell. I very much doubt this is the case.

As others have said it is likely a character like wane will want to control things himself.

In Sinfield's interview with Carney he said he would agree to go if the club no longer wanted him around, that seemed an odd thing to say unless it appears to him a genuine possibility.

If we pick up quickly Agar may get to the end of the season but for mine there is a crunch coming, agar, ford, Marshall are not the right men for this big task. I would not be surprised to see Sinfield gone soon if don't get going soon.

Personally, I don't think it's acceptable to just drift with Agar , we need a coach to get into this squad and get what they want embedded now.

great post. sadly I'm coming around to sir kev being the wrong man for the job

The heart-wrenching accounts of people who have mysteriously "fallen out of love with the game" just at the same time as Leeds have stopped winning everything make me laugh.

I think for me it started at the turn of this decade with the drop off of standards abd quality imports and the wrestle taking over the game.

I interpreted that as Sinfield basically saying the club is the most important thing and not him or his position within it, but having said that I was in the minority that Sinfield came across as honest in that interview and didn’t see it as a car crash like some.

Its catch 22 he needs to make sure the next coaching appointment is 100% correct so indeed should take his time but if the interim coach doesn’t work out he’ll be under massive amounts of pressure.

One things for sure I don’t envy him at the moment the pressure must be huge.

Me too. Total joke. Funny thing is Leeds losing makes me want to support the club more. 39 years I've watched the club home and away and that isn't changing even if we go down. I will be at St Helen's Sat watching 19s and Anfield Sun.

Stop moaning and support the club because right now the club needs our support more now than at any point since 1996.

McDermott and Wane managing two tops clubs took the game over here backwards, that was whilst both coaches were winning. Get off the high horse.

Could not agree more. Great post.

I think it’s a number of things.
I don’t go as much as I used to, I will watch games on sky with other teams but don’t have much interest in it which I think is down to it not really having a lot involvement in it.
Circumstances change I never missed a game home and away with my mates now have a young family priorities change. Prices seem to have risen a lot I like to take the kids but it’s over 100 quid for us all just to get in and it’s hard to justify when your watching crap.
I think I’m somewhere in the middle I agree somewhat with your post but but equally I don’t agree with these “super fans” I’ve been going 39 years I’m great get behind your team.

I've no doubt everyone's enthusiasm will return when things turn around which they will over next few years

Soon as we are winning again people will come running back.

What a great fan base we have. 8 titles weve won, 3 WCCs and 1st sign of losing and people have lost interest. Just laughable.

I must be the opposite of a glory supporter

I’ve been to more games this and last season (I think I've only missed a couple home and away) than I ever have, I’m either a glutton for punishment or a bad omen for the club



I do think the overall quality has dropped off in the league but it’s still entertaining. Going to the Rugby is my ‘me’ time, I go on my own and it’s a few hours in my week that I can truly forget about stresses of work and other stuff ive got going on, I do truly look forward to going every week even though these days I worry what kind of turd sandwich we will serve up teach week

Well said. I felt the same each time we went bust. In fact building from rock bottom actually helped get my enthusiasm back for the game. I can't get enough of it now. Those of you that are fed up with it might be better served reconnecting with the grassroots or having a break from the game completely.

Why does it matter if we are winning? That is total glory supporter mentality there Marty, whether you think it isn’t or not. I have been complaining about the game going backwards, and the mess McDermott was doing, long before we stopped winning.

Quality and entertainment is far more important than winning. Some of our best performances over the years have come in defeats.

Watch some past matches pre 2011, and go back to 1990, and try and defend the modern game in comparison.

Sorry but it makes me laugh when people say the game is going backwards. I remember being excited to watch NRL Grand Final DVDs of the great Parramatta team of the 80s. Sterling Kenny Grothe Ella Price etc and when they came the standard was absolutely terrible. See a better standard in League One. The game was so slow and teams played so deep against a modern day team they would lose 30 yards a set.

As a kid I remember the amazing 82 Kangaroos. Truly amazing in their time but if you watch them on YouTube you will fall on the floor laughing at the standard compared to nowadays.

Let's look at the start of SL with teams like Oldham, Workington, PSG, Halifax, Huddersfield, Sheffield in it who was all abysmal. Are you really saying the standard is worse now? I'm afraid you are kidding yourself.

The game is so much quicker than those periods, the players are bigger and stronger than those periods. The standard now is far higher in both SL and the Championship than it was in the days of beating Huddersfield by 60 to 80 points everytime we played them.

If you claim SL is poor in comparison to NRL obviously there is no argument but SL is certainly no worse now than at any point in time. It really isn't.

As for the constant whinging of McDermott, I agree with you totally, but must it said everytime you post? Jesus, move on. McDermott is no longer involved. We need to look forward.

100% agree

I mean come on Marty, that is just daft, you are better than that. We are not talking in comparison to 60's & 70's Rugby here, we are talking modern rugby. I am unsure what it is you are watching if you seriously believe that the level of the players today is anything close to what it was just 10 years back.

I mean, honestly look at just this year, Saints are miles ahead of everyone else. Look at that Saints side, how many really do you think would get into their 2006 and 2007 side? You might be able to name a couple at most. Christ I bet those sides could come out of retirement now and beat the current one. Look at Leeds in 2007, can you honestly see the likes of Sutcliffe, Handley, Briscoe, Dwyer, Albert, Ferres, Donaldson, Myler, and Lolohea having a sniff at that side. I doubt Merrin would get a look in back in that side.

The game has dwindled massively backwards over the last five years, and the rulers of the game have massively taken their eyes off the ball. I have always maintained I don't agree with the nonsense of not having talented kids coming through, they have just been the same level, but it is what happens with them in Super League that ruins it all. I mentioned McDermott, as I also mentioned Wane, it is these type of coaches that have took the game so far backwards, boring, unimaginative, little skill, and zero entertainment. I further pointed out to highlight the point that it has nothing to do with not winning, as I repeated the same and warned of where the game was going back when we were winning.

Look at Cas, none of those players would have made the good Van der Velde side, or Raper side. We are talking not over 50 years here, but over the last twenty. The game between the early 90's and 2010, was at a different level to what we saw before it, and what we have seen since.

Don't mistake entertainment for who would win. There's no way a 90s team would compete now, or one from the early 2000s. Body shapes are massively different now, with most players being far heavier and more powerful.

The other huge thing is the wrestle. If you watch even our gf wins it was nonexistent in 2004 and gradually crept in over the next few years. A team not good at controlling the ruck would get mullered by one adept at slowing it down. Sadly that's a genie that can't be rebottled.

Back to the coach, I do think we need to select someone based on the style we want to play going forward, and it needs to be someone who can work with a DoR and build confidence in a struggling side.

For me we should just bite the bullet and set course for where we want to be in 2-3 years time now. It would almost (would it?) be better to be relegated but with a clearer purpose and identity, rather than these constant short term panic decisions which will keep us in flux bumbling along the bottom of the pile. We can’t totally rely upon our youth to bail us out - a) they are years off peak and b) any genuinely good ones in today’s market will be targeted by NRL/RU.

We also can’t keep harking back to the past, it’s gone.

We need a coach who is tough but clear. A coach who can fundamentally demonstrate an ability to develop players, and with no fear of age to introduce into first team environment. That coach should be able to motivate players, but also enforce tactics that provides entertainment, whether that be tough defence or skilled attack. He also needs to have no links to whatever we have done in the past, so we can stop banging on about it, and move forward as a club to create a new era.

Relegation wouldn't be a good thing st all so let's not kid ourselves would be.

Jim is absolutely correct we simply have to get the kids through now to build for 3 to 4 years time. I've said this previously a few time.

The only way we will be successful is with the youth and we are strong in that area.

In 4 years time we need the likes of zholroyd Trout Newman Muizz Walters McLelland etc to have close to 100 zsL games and very ready to kick on. That has to start now. Get these lads in along with Walker Mikolaj and Cam Smith a d suddenly weve a strong nucleus to go forward with.

It's the only way.

As for coach it has to somebody who can work with Sinfield and be able to coach under his demands.

Do you think Sinfield is the sort to make demands Marty? I am not so sure. I think he is focused and has a plan and desire to succeed, that is what he based his playing career on. But I also think he is the sort of leader to listen to others and collaborate.

I think he is getting a lot of unfair assumptions at him at the moment, not that I am saying you have above, and I think the critisism needs to be a lot more to those above him at this current time. Getting a coach in who he can trust and work together will underpin everything for this club going forward, as he needs that support I believe to stand up to what is above.

100% agree he seems to be getting stick for wanting or trying to implement what people are wanting - a 2-3 year plan with clear direction on where we need to be, if he felt Furner turned out to not share that vision then unfortunately he probably had to go.

Fans are by their nature short term thinkers so will demand more from the team in a shorter period of time. The biggest issue we have is the threat of relegation which can lead to bad decisions in the short term which affect the long term strategy.

I understand that KS and other Directors have pinned their trust on Agar. He is the man going forward. Lets hope he can succeed, a period of stability at the club is needed and if between them they deliver its a plus.
Its time to support the man in charge along with those who support him.

I agree with all of the previous 3 messages.

Do I think Kevin is the type to make demands? Absolutely. For nearly 20 years he demanded everything from the playing group. Hes strong minded, passionate about Leeds, strong willed, determined and bloody stubborn at times. All qualities not weaknesses and in no way a criticism. Hes 100% the right man to take Leeds forward but whether coaches can deal with it we will see. Do I see a Shaun Wane taking it? No I don't but as I've said before its Agar's job to lose.

Personally I thought the Furner move was too soon but it's done now and weve got to move on.

Sinfield has been at Leeds less than a year and due to the mess he inherited it's going to take him time. I hope he gives himself that time to get it right.

Our halves are terrible but he had Lolohea and Myler on long term deals so he had no option but to go with them. Its clearly not right and will be changed asap if that alone can be changed we will look a better team I'm sure.

The priority has to be to get the kids thru and get them experience. It just has to be.

The fans need to get behind the club now no matter how hard that is.

if he has pinned his Hope's on agar, a failure in coaching terms but cheap, he isnt fit to be in a position to make decisions