Which positions are their problem ones?

Judging by the league position, they start at 1 and end at coach. Seriously I think they need major surgery before they can be consistently competitive, and pretty much all over the park.

It's interesting that they are still in the cup, as this probably represents the best opportunity for success for teams who lack consistency and talent.

So which players are their problems?

On paper Wigan have as capable a squad as any in SL and on their day they walloped St Helens.

Getting consistent performances out of them is where their problem lies and that's more an attitude and coaching issue for mine.

Not by his shareholders but, regardless, he's delivered on all fronts during the last 5 years and he was building towards that for about four or five years before then.

One of which would be himself?

I think so, but certainly not the major one.

Is Caddick in it to make money really?

He seems happy to bank roll the union club as a hobby and I wouldn't have thought anyone really takes on the ownership of a sports club in order to make a fortune.

I doubt his tolerance to losses would be as high with RL but I wonder if its as much about the kudos as the brass.

I'm a big admirer of Gary Hetherington, always have been. From his wholehearted efforts as a player, to his formation of a player's union and starting a club from nothing in South Yorkshire while selling double glazing and running fund raising marathons to make signings. But at times I think he acts as if he is still the Chairman at the Eagles rather than running what should be the biggest club in the ESL.

Which is why no-one remembers Alf Davis ... Nothing much to show for it in the trophy cabinet, but 'We've got the best lottery in the league'

Good old Alf and his "pop in for a chat and a cuppa" speech...

If the attitude of the players is a problem then surely there is something wrong with Wigan's recruitment?

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Losing games they ought to win could be as a result of any number of things rather than solely recruitment.

Are Wigan not the biggest club in the whole Universe??

Agreed the two are linked you will not make a profit in RL without a winning side - simple - your revenue streams are driven by success on the field - no one wants to entertain serious clients to second class entertainment - winning on the field is everything - the rest will spin off that - sort that out and you will have a successful business - especially that given the salary cap - the marginal cost of winning is zero.

According to Titchy Tinyrod - 9 out of 10 Aussies say their NRL players prefer Wigan to any other Championship winning teams.

thats cos 9/10 of the wigan team are from the NRL

Yes and Wigan boast world class NRL players like...erm...erm...nope, actually pretty much all of their overseas 'stars' are NRL rejects.

for the sake of this argument is Richards Oz or Irish

Richards is very Irish. He only played all his rugby in australia because he was brought up there by mistake.

not necessarily. Take 1 player out of a team and putting him another and his performances could be on another level. Good team management and club mentality have an impact. Fielden for example...

Trent Barrett was contracted to Wigan for this season and where will he be playing on Wednesday night?

Thomas Leuluai (while perhaps not World Class) is a current World Champion.

And Tim Smith was tearing up the NRL before his drink problems. He was hardly a reject because of playing talent.

Thought Lee Smith did a very good Brad Godden impression when carrying the ball up against Quins.

Scrappy kind of charges. Alot stonger then he looks. i know this, but sometimes he surprises me when he bounches off bigger players, re-foots himself and sets off again.

Strong and direct in a similar way to Godden when he needed to drive it up.

Same here, I commented on saturday and have always thought that he has excellent upper body strength for his stature.