some could see this last year. we are better but only because we have better players than last year.

Apart from maybe Martin, Bentley was Leeds’s best player again last night. I think some people just get on his back for no reason other than jumping on the bandwagon. Shame the rest of the pack didn’t share his enthusiasm or work rate.

The players are better in some cases (not all) but the style we try tom play is killing us and that’s on the coaching team. Prime Melbourne Storm would struggle to play the Wray Smith seems to want s to play, he’s just not improving us anything like fast enough to challenge. What little faith I had in him is now fully evaporating, I’d hoped with some better players that we would see a change in style and improvement, but I just don’t see it. He needs to be replaced when his contract is up at the end of the year.

Maybe we just disagree with your assessment of Bentley?

He got stuck in to his D again but I thought he played better last week than this. I still maintain that if you want that type of player in the pack, McDonnell is technically better and a little bigger too.

And again I’ll reiterate, it’s a shame the so called enforcer that is Oledzki doesn’t get stuck into them like Bentley. The lad’s in a no win situation with Leeds fans, and it’s become quite boring to say the least.

I do wonder how many people who slag him off on here constantly have actually ever played the game.

Each to their own though as you say

Can’t disagree with that

My problem with Bentley is that we have been waiting for the last couple of years for this amazing to emerge that just isn’t there.

The enthusiasm and effort is countered by the lack of disciple. He gave away a stupid penalty and six again last night when we had them trapped at their end. You also look at the size of him compared to Matautia and we wonder why we lack punch upfront.

Think his contract is until the end of 2025

Then that’s a problem. Did he sign 2 &1/2 or 3 & 1/2 years? If we don’t seriously improve this year, then he needs to be gone at the end of it. If we look like missing out on the playoffs at any point, he needs to be gone before the end of the year. GH has now spent too much money to be dicking about waiting for something that will never come.

That post match interview was embarrassing.

Funny how the fittest and hardest working teams always seem to be “offside” isn’t it and only the losing side ever honour the 10m.

Smith doesn’t coach RL that can consistently beat good teams. Claiming some sort of imaginary RL purist high ground as a defence of your own deficiencies is not tackling the issues.

Ps you would have to hope Frawley will be better when he settles and the weather shapes up as he looks absolutely terrible.

JJB and Ablett gave away penalties galore, but I put that down to the amount of tackles they made, and I reckon Bentley isn’t far off their stats every week.

The worrying thing for me is, the same people that bash him week in, week out, think Oledzki is a world beater.

Maybe Ackers and Miller should have thrown their arms in the air at every play the ball and Leeds may have had a set restart?
Just a thought.

You’ll get on just swell with Rohan.

Someone must have left Thomas the tank's GPS running when he left then re-entered the field following his sin binning.

thought saints got virtually every decision from the leagues worst ref last night.

but
they were a mile's better in every department and should have won by more. we looked like a pub team in comparison

His contract is till the end of next year. Thursday's game at Cas is huge for him. They will have players back and, as always, it will be their cup final. We also need to treat it that way. No excuses, no complaining about the ref. Nothing less than a good hard performance and a convincing win is required.

Absolutely

The penalty against Momirovski was embarrassing, but not a surprise with him. Also, I see they’ve quickly changed their own new rules on 'high' tackles.

Other than that, yep, Leeds are terrible yet again.

The one in the corner? Thought that was for Newman jumping in after the tackle was complete.

Totally true , the ref was brainwashed by Saints and we have a lot of bad history with him , some would call him unconsciously biased , but none of that takes away the fact that Saints have better players than us and have over the last few years been better coached .If Saints do get a bad call or deliberately give a 6 again or a penalty away they can cope with it far better than us

There is absolutely no evidence that the team under Smith is progressing to be consistent top 4 side. The style he wants to play is one that gets an occasional one off performance (as it even did last season) or it looks chaotic and when that's not happening it becomes one dimensional and passive. Smith is not the long term answer.

This Is exactly why I my excitement over the long range trys in the early rounds was tempered because they're not really worth much when much of the rest of the play is below the standard required.

So if I disagree with you it’s just because you know better?

Maybe you’re a better and more experienced player than Sam Tomkins too right?

Why can't people understand , Bentley is an all action grafter/tackler , he does not break the line as he is not big enough or fast enough and he is certainly not going to be an intelligent player , put him in the Saints team and he is fantastic unfortunately in our team we do not have the players to compliment his style . If we had bigger , faster forwards then he would be seen as a key cog

Saints are better than us man for man in every position and we haven't beaten them since 2017 at home & apparently the coach needs sacking. Smith will, at minimum, see out his contract and probably get an extension even if we finish 6th this year and next. We won't improve until we replace most of our forward pack.

There were a few iffy calls but nothing too mega: we’ve conceded a few unlucky tries (as RS alluded to); but the point is we’re at risk of conceding them because we’re defending our own red zone too much.