Sorry Homer, but Dwyer is utterly hopeless. No way would we be better with him.

david, great post and 99% correct.
but there are no positives to keeping smith.
he is a poor coach who refuses, or simply can't, change his ways.
the rest I agree with

The only excuse that I’d perhaps gives smith in terms or recruitment is that if a lot of the quota and higher paid/last year contract players have been told they can go it could be a downing of tools similar to warrington last year.

Which ever way we go is going to take some cahones. To stick with Smith wen everyone wants him gone or to get rid when he did so well last year.

Any truth to John Kear coming in on a consultation contract?

Might help steady the ship and offer some guidance to Smith, should they not do the right thing and move him on.

kear is yesterdays man but he'd put some backbone into the team. we might actually have a gameplan too

Only asking Tad, heard it from a few folk now.

no I wasn't criticising pal

John Kear?! Funny if it happends from a Saints pov, but if I were a Leeds fan I'd wonder what on earth is going on.

It was reported that Sezer wasn't a marquee signing.

So are you saying that Smith is playing all said players out of position and saying that is his idea because Gary hasn't let him bring in anymore players? A kind of stool pigeon?

Remember that role Agar was originally brought in for a few years ago? What happened to that?

Wasn’t Sinfield our DoR for a while, and now we don’t have one?

This all reeks of a rugby operation that has completely lost its way.

Smith has all the hallmarks of a coach who had a short-term impact or “new coach bounce” but doesn’t have the skill set to move things forward.

The trajectory of run and grand final last year and then totally flopping this year simply isn’t the trajectory of a coach who has what it takes for us.

This has to be a joke

If this is true I will have lost any faith in GH and the club.
Smith said yesterday words to the effect of “as a coach you can quit or fight and I will fight”. That is a message to GH that he won’t resign.

IF GH brings in Kear it will be a ploy to undermine Smith and hope he resigns or agrees to go with a reduced package.

I hope this is all rubbish

This poor season could probably be traced back to a badly managed pre-season. It seems we approached the games half d with a lack of gameplan and the focus being on getting minutes in the legs, regardless of which position it was in.

That could be put down to Smith's naivety, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the importance of pre-season for building combinations, structure and cohesion. I had a manager who insisted on people rotating teams so they knew a bit of everything. It doesn't work. People need to be experts in their areas with an understanding of others.

To play devil's advocate, this could potentially be the making of Smith, but he needs a wise head beside him as Director of Rugby. He's still a young coach and has made a fair few mistakes this season. If he can put his hands up and say he got it wrong, it could be a huge learning experience. But he needs someone there with experience. His coaching team is quite young and I wonder if there's anyone questioning his decisions, or if they're just nodding dogs.

What's clear is that the club is broken on the field, and has been for some time. It feels like we're stuck in the past still living off the success of the golden generation.

I like Kear, managed to do a lot with very little resources over the years but in honesty to be a success moving forward would very much rely on him having any sort of ambition and drive.

Let's see what transpires but I for one support it 100%.

Agree with D4mo78.. i think Smith messed this up in pre season. The warning signs were there..

I still can't believe GH has not issued an apology to the fans... is this where we are as a club now ? accepting shi*te like that.... no wonder we are where we are...

Good Post.

To be fair to Smith, we have been so dogged by injuries and suspensions that for me anyway FWIW it was a decent shout trying out people in new positions and making people play a new position where in a pinch or a tough game with injuries / sending offs etc they can be rotated into and are not going in "cold" but I do think and agree with you that we spent all preseason on Gimmicks, some which worked, some which unfortunately were doomed to fail.
You can only practice so many in a non competitive environment so kudos for him trying out the short kickoffs etc all preseason but that Warrington game mustve come as a very rude awakening to the realities of a loose preseason and actually competitive RL and some of the gimmicks now look just like plain stupidity.

As for the club being broken I totally agree, weve patched up the cracks for years and its been "jam tomorrow" and false dawn after false dawn for nearly 6/7 years and I think this is the culmination of celebrating our successes instead of putting it in a box and moving on to the next one.

Smith has made some mistakes for sure. If he doesn't learn from them then he'll be gone sooner rather than later.

Having said that, just look at our squad. Not what we want them to be, or how they can maybe play every now and then, but in reality. Our spine is just dreadful. O'Connor gets a pass as he's still learning, but Myler, Austin, Sezer even if fit (not often) and playing well (even less often) vs Welsby, Dodd and Lomax at their best? That's the standard we need to be at, and our trio, almost combined age 100 (so getting slower and generally worse every year) are just not in the same league. That trio is the key to every successful RL side. You can have gaps elsewhere, but they are what makes the side tick and play to a structure.

I really don't think Smith helps with the passive defence (or whatever it is), or the constant picking of players out of position. Going back to fundamentals would help tighten us up and generally much harder to beat.

But it is also down to the players you have. Our squad just lacks class. Our recruitment for next year, when we should have oodles of cap to play with, has to be about quality, ideally in at least two of the spine roles. Otherwise you can change the coach and we'll still win zilch.

Kear's game plan - take the two!!

Kear has no idea about how to coach attack his sole focus is on defence - an old style coach who is now so far out of date it would be a joke if he were brought in

as a stand in for a couple of months no.problem. full time no chance

Agar was supposed to be a stand in. Got the 'new coach bounce' and stayed long enough for even GH to remember why he was a failure as a first team coach elsewhere. Kear (or anybody else) would likely fancy they could take this team places longer-term if they saw an uptick in performances in the short term. Even JJB clearly saw a future as head coach after stepping in last year. I don't think we should go there at all unless its a dire emergency.

Where in the world has this John Kear rumour come from? He's a nice bloke and he won a couple of pots back in his coaching hayday, which was 20 years ago. He's now 68 and coaching mid table championship club, Widnes. It seems very unlikely to me, which probably means it's true.

If no Superleague clubs want him that says it all.He is old school coaching at Championship level and that's where he should stay and continue doing his commentary on the TV.
As you say seems a nice bloke but we should be aiming miles higher if all of this is true, which seems very doubtful.
Don't think age is a major factor, Wayne Bennett is still coaching in the NRL at 73,but Kear is no Wayne Bennett.

Nothing more than the RL "family of supporters" cashing in on our current predicament. I hope.

Unless Gary is negotiating for Craig Bellamy or Ivan Cleary to come over then its about time he issued an apology for the performance's and told us how he intends rectifying it.
He's had a few days now to come up with an apology or statement and its disrespectful to the fans.