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| could have been worse, could have been Fev.
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| I wouldn't have minded Fev tbf.
They've been crapped on from high for years by successive regimes as they are seen as unfashionable despite having been capable of stepping up many times in the past and even as recently as last year, running Toronto close.
They have the best stadium in five towns area, they have a great local conveyor belt of youth and were due a turn at the top table IMV yet we keep moving the goalposts for them.
As I have alluded to, they and all other teams need to be given a reason why they haven't made it this time and given help to achieve it next time.
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| Weve fallen from Toronto, a new Canadian/North American market and fans, SBW to... Leigh.
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| Quote ="Bang"Weve fallen from Toronto, a new Canadian/North American market and fans, SBW to... Leigh.'"
Toronto effectively took themselves out of the equation.
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| Quote ="CHEADLE LEYTHER"How about an average crowd of 6,500 when last in Superleague in 2017, an average far greater than Salford, Wakefield and Huddersfield. Plus we bring a substantial away support and a stadium that compares well with most Superleague grounds.'"
Candidly apart from London there was nobody else. Leigh have a decent ground, a good attendance and decent set up.
The problem comes from the idiots who run the game.
For some reason we started with Toronto, complete farce, we have still got the pig sty grounds of Wakefield and Castleford, no supporters at Salford or Huddersfield. Like it or not Leigh offer something.
What we do know is again the development of the game remains in the M62 corridor. The problem is there is no leadership or direction, we panda to clubs with pig sty for grounds, encourage clubs like Bradford who haven’t got a penny to scratch their backside yet hope they are put back in Super league, encouraging Fev, but only got where they are last season using Leeds reserves. This game needs to expand in the UK, up in the North east, down to the Midlands and the South, however we need someone who is good at their job someone who can market the game, find the £500k salary and let him develop the game.
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| Quote ="finglas"Toronto effectively took themselves out of the equation.'"
Not really. They were in an impossible position in 2020 but Elstone manoeuvred them out.
The fact that Leeds and St Helens were so incensed by what Elstone did that they voted against him in a confidence vote suggests Hetherington and McManus saw plenty they liked in the club.
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| Quote ="finglas"Given that they get £800k less funding and have little time to prepare and put together competitive team, I would suggest that they are there to ensure others don't get relegated. cynical I know but that is how SL is run.'"
Setting them up to fail IMO. I just don't get how those who make the decisions come to the conclusion that the best way to improve Super League is to handicap the new boys.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Setting them up to fail IMO. I just don't get how those who make the decisions come to the conclusion that the best way to improve Super League is to handicap the new boys.'"
It's because the people making the decision are the other Super League clubs, or at least a majority of them. And they are not interested in improving the league by making the new club competitive.
I believe Leeds voted against this, Hetherington, as he usually is, on the right side of the key decisions.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"It's because the people making the decision are the other Super League clubs, or at least a majority of them. And they are not interested in improving the league by making the new club competitive.
I believe Leeds voted against this, Hetherington, as he usually is, on the right side of the key decisions.'"
Yep, this is the exact reason I'm hoping Leigh stay up
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| Quote ="finglas"Given that they get £800k less funding and have little time to prepare and put together competitive team, I would suggest that they are there to ensure others don't get relegated. cynical I know but that is how SL is run.'"
The £800k is not an issue, our owner has stated that, the biggest problem is that we have signed a quality champ squad most of whom have “not quite made it” at the top level ( Jordan Thompson an example) or are on their way down (Ben Flower)
Also have an unproven coach a top end of champ let alone SL,
With not much quality around to bring in its gunna be a tough gig
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"It's because the people making the decision are the other Super League clubs, or at least a majority of them. And they are not interested in improving the league by making the new club competitive.
I believe Leeds voted against this, Hetherington, as he usually is, on the right side of the key decisions.'"
100% spot on. How many other sports allow the turkeys to vote for Christmas? Its absolute madness.
We pay money to have a RFL board and a SLE board and they dont even make any decisions. The clubs do.
Leigh, Toronto, Timbuctoo should all have the same central funding as the other clubs in the league. You either accept them into Super League or you dont. To ask Leigh to compete on less money than the rest is absolutely ridiculous.
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| If the latest Sky offer is true the it could be 10 team SL or maybe even 8 .never mind 12 . Elstone has a big negotiating job on his hands
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"If the latest Sky offer is true the it could be 10 team SL or maybe even 8 .never mind 12 . Elstone has a big negotiating job on his hands'"
Some clubs are really going to struggle if they have to take a 50% cut in TV money.
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| They'll have to accept Sky's offer. There is no one else interested. Tough sh-t. The game continues to kill itself.
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| Quote ="Bang"They'll have to accept Sky's offer. There is no one else interested. Tough sh-t. The game continues to kill itself.'"
I’ve not been following any of this, are BT not interested?
If Elstone does a deal where the game ends up on only 50% of current deal, Nigel Wood’s reign will look like a golden era.
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| IF the deal is for less than the current one, Elstone should fall on his sword and the RFL should take control of the game again. IF....
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| The game needs an injection of cash and a strong enough governing body to implement some considerable (and painful) changes to the game as a whole in this country and not just fritter it away.
Unfortunately, im not confident in either, the tail wags the dog and the governing body (ies?) are so weak its untrue.
I'd love the NRL to come in and buy into the game over here and revolutionise the antiquated systems in place here.
We have consistently as a game undersold ourselves time and time again, look at the publicity that has been generated in the mainstream media by Kevins MND marathons, look at the positive impact RL has on communities across the North, look at how the real RL family comes together and the savagery of 80mins of RL and tell me how the fudge a governing body(ies) cant sell this game to audiences consistently and profitably?
We've become a game mired in gimmicks, quick fixes, fads and selling the game on Northern stereotypes (not gonna fly outside the M62) Until we start to embrace a more professional presentation of the game then we'll always hand the vison of the game to its detractors / Mungoball haters.
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| Does anybody understand the pros and cons of the private equity deal Elstone is reportedly negotiating. I would have thought if we are going down that route Leeds would be be better served by sorting something out for themselves. Can't really find anything good to say about Elstone. Hetherington and McManus have clearly smelled a rat, and I trust both to get the big things right.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Does anybody understand the pros and cons of the private equity deal Elstone is reportedly negotiating. I would have thought if we are going down that route Leeds would be be better served by sorting something out for themselves. Can't really find anything good to say about Elstone. Hetherington and McManus have clearly smelled a rat, and I trust both to get the big things right.'"
Because Darth & McManus know both how to run a club.
Others are just blinded by the promises of ££££ but cant see the long term effects
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| McManus was one of the people behind the split and the appointment of Elstone, all to get Nigel Wood away from running the game, as they didn't have faith in him negotiating the TV deal, based on the previous 5 year deal he negotiated. In hindsight, Wood deserves a medal for that deal.
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| I'd be amazed if Leeds didn't veto a private equity deal. We have no reason to sell our future revenues for a short term cash bump.
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| I read that the new sky deal is 50% lower than the current deal. the cash will stay in SL and nothing going to the lower leagues. Unfortunately what else do we expect. The only bidder are SKY they have no competition and they can say take it or leave it. As a sport we are so little minded. Instead of leveling up we always level down to the lowest point. In the last 10 years we have gone backwards. Over 10 years ago we had a plan, a plan to have better stadiums, academies, modern facilities etc. Unfortunately we still have grounds like Wakefield, Castleford, poor supported teams like Salford, Huddersfield and HKR. We cannot change the sport because the majority of the chairmen do not want change, they want the money, they use the money to pay all the wages and subsidise the running of the clubs.
We try and expand the game, so Toronto are brought in, the run out of money, off they go, then Leigh are in, they were probably the best bet, but where is the expansion away from the M62 corridor.
We need to remember why SKY pay their sponsorship, it because they want to sell more SKY sports in their TV package. they do give us the money for fun, its to buy their packages and they feel that they have enough coverage in the M62 corridor.
We have to get real and make changes, we need to employ someone on £300k + pa and let them put a plan together. If it upsets people and clubs then fine, but we need a 5 year plan, licencing, no relegation, all clubs must have an academy, better stadiums, better facilities minimum seater and standing stadiums. If you dont deliver you are out. Some clubs do need to merge together.
Candidly looking at SKY sports, we dont get any better coverage than the like of Darts, netball, basketball etc. Let us stop kidding ourselves, however good we think the game is others do not think like us, so it is time for a new direction, change, and new faces at the very top, We are driven forward by people that even i would not employ. If we dont make the changes, start looking forward to the players going back to part time professionals.
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| Quote ="Brodie123"I read that the new sky deal is 50% lower than the current deal. the cash will stay in SL and nothing going to the lower leagues. Unfortunately what else do we expect. The only bidder are SKY they have no competition and they can say take it or leave it. As a sport we are so little minded. Instead of leveling up we always level down to the lowest point. In the last 10 years we have gone backwards. Over 10 years ago we had a plan, a plan to have better stadiums, academies, modern facilities etc. Unfortunately we still have grounds like Wakefield, Castleford, poor supported teams like Salford, Huddersfield and HKR. We cannot change the sport because the majority of the chairmen do not want change, they want the money, they use the money to pay all the wages and subsidise the running of the clubs.
We try and expand the game, so Toronto are brought in, the run out of money, off they go, then Leigh are in, they were probably the best bet, but where is the expansion away from the M62 corridor.
We need to remember why SKY pay their sponsorship, it because they want to sell more SKY sports in their TV package. they do give us the money for fun, its to buy their packages and they feel that they have enough coverage in the M62 corridor.
We have to get real and make changes, we need to employ someone on £300k + pa and let them put a plan together. If it upsets people and clubs then fine, but we need a 5 year plan, licencing, no relegation, all clubs must have an academy, better stadiums, better facilities minimum seater and standing stadiums. If you dont deliver you are out. Some clubs do need to merge together.
Candidly looking at SKY sports, we dont get any better coverage than the like of Darts, netball, basketball etc. Let us stop kidding ourselves, however good we think the game is others do not think like us, so it is time for a new direction, change, and new faces at the very top, We are driven forward by people that even i would not employ. If we dont make the changes, start looking forward to the players going back to part time professionals.'"
Nothing there to disagree with but how do you expect clubs to fund better facilities, stadiums and acadamies with basically half the budget? These things cost substantial funds and clubs and the sport does not have it.
Like i always say in this situation its easy for fans of our club to talk about sponsors and crowds. We are a big city. If Leeds got the % of fans to population that Cas get for example get we would need a 60k stadium.
I agree with all your points but there is no money to fund big projects in the sport and no real interest from outside the sport.
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| Well, no chance of lenagan signing up to the new deal. Remember how much fuss he made about having been rushed into signing the last one? Given that this one's half the size he'd look a total bell end were he to put pen to paper
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We try and expand the game, so Toronto are brought in, the run out of money, off they go, then Leigh are in, they were probably the best bet, but where is the expansion away from the M62 corridor.
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We have to get real and make changes, we need to employ someone on £300k + pa and let them put a plan together. If it upsets people and clubs then fine, but we need a 5 year plan, licencing, no relegation, all clubs must have an academy, better stadiums, better facilities minimum seater and standing stadiums. If you dont deliver you are out. Some clubs do need to merge together.
Candidly looking at SKY sports, we dont get any better coverage than the like of Darts, netball, basketball etc. Let us stop kidding ourselves, however good we think the game is others do not think like us, so it is time for a new direction, change, and new faces at the very top, We are driven forward by people that even i would not employ. If we dont make the changes, start looking forward to the players going back to part time professionals.'"
Plenty of good points there. I would point out That man and salary plus is Elstone. He is meant to be the more professional, accountant based strategist to take SL forward.
As Marty said though it’s a tough gig and nobody has fixed it in last 50 years I’ve been watching.
As for lenaghan he is still putting in about a million a year of his own coin into Wigan, he might want a private equity injection to get his pie encrusted coin back.
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