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| Quote ="rugbyleague88"I would be very interested in this statistic. I have said for time that Golding is poorly positioned and concedes far too many goal line drop outs from tapping it out or getting tackled in the in goal area. I would like to see if this is true.'"
Maybe he fields more kicks because we defend better when he plays? Not saying this is necessarily the case but the stats, even if available, won't tell the full tale.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Maybe he fields more kicks because we defend better when he plays? Not saying this is necessarily the case but the stats, even if available, won't tell the full tale.'"
You only had to watch the Castleford match at Elland Road to see the stats certainly were not lying then. Golding is very poor positionally, and doesn't have the strength to compensate for that. For me that is one of the major differences between the two players.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You only had to watch the Castleford match at Elland Road to see the stats certainly were not lying then. Golding is very poor positionally, and doesn't have the strength to compensate for that. For me that is one of the major differences between the two players.'"
again where is the evidence to support this, everybody that spouts stuff like this just want there shiney new toy in the side. just because you keep saying walker is better attacker and Golding positioning is poor does not make it true, show the proof. lets face it some people simply have it in for Golding and think Walker is some sort of messiah rather than just a good prospect.
seen players like walker that people think are this and that come and go, see sutcliffe people saying he was a world beater 4 years ago, average squad player now.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"again where is the evidence to support this, everybody that spouts stuff like this just want there shiney new toy in the side. just because you keep saying walker is better attacker and Golding positioning is poor does not make it true, show the proof. lets face it some people simply have it in for Golding and think Walker is some sort of messiah rather than just a good prospect.
seen players like walker that people think are this and that come and go, see sutcliffe people saying he was a world beater 4 years ago, average squad player now.'"
I haven’t said anything about Walkers attacking play, only you spouting that one.
I was specific on how the side plays better with him there. If you don’t see that, then you are not watching. This is the same with the positioning and clearing the ingoal. This is all clear.
Golding is a very good player. His positioning and strength in collision to clear, are however poor in comparison.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"again where is the evidence to support this, everybody that spouts stuff like this just want there shiney new toy in the side. just because you keep saying walker is better attacker and Golding positioning is poor does not make it true, show the proof. lets face it some people simply have it in for Golding and think Walker is some sort of messiah rather than just a good prospect.
seen players like walker that people think are this and that come and go, see sutcliffe people saying he was a world beater 4 years ago, average squad player now.'"
I agree with you and I think that some folk were over critical of Golding when he first came into the side as he made a few errors. IMO he is a real talent and has developed his game especially in defense where he is ahead of Walker and has made so many one on one key tackles. I also think he is better than Walker in positional play at full back who sometimes arrives too late to even attempt the sort of tackle that Golding makes.
Having said that Walker is also a real talent who looks to have the edge in attack yet has only made one more clean break than Golding and opposition sides seem to read his now predictable dummy and go.
They have not played the same minutes this season but Golding has made 38 tackle busts (our 4th best ) to Walker's 11 and he has made 135 tackles to Walker's 24 with walker making one more errors and one more missed tackle.
I rate both players and believe they will both end up as regulars in the same side
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| Quote ="Clearwing"I never said he was busting the line here, there and everywhere. I haven't even said he's better than Golding and I didn't say he should be picked ahead of him. What he looks capable of is making the odd clean break in a game - an area in which we're lacking. That's all it would take to win those one point defeat games and secure the ones where we're clinging onto leads of less than a converted score. Tiny margins, in other words.
Besides, I like watching him play. That ok?'"
I was refering generally, not at your or anyone's post, and more about the type of comment you get on social media, people praising Walker and slating Golding, without and substance.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"I was refering generally, not at your or anyone's post, .'"
You quoted mine though.
Though actually I think we agree
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| Jack’s injured his ankle playing for the 19’s
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| Quote ="Sgy Loiner"Jack’s injured his ankle playing for the 19’s'"
He played not fully fit. Always rushing it,
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He played not fully fit. Always rushing it,'"
Saw him this morning, injured again now.
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| Poor overall. Poor team selection, and substitutions at key times
No idea how Bentham came up with Atkins being held up there
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| Despicable performance, we get back in the game and have a 2 score lead with 12 to go and they let 4 try's in.
That just 7 points from last 16 available. Where starting to slip out of contention, and look stagnant.
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| Simply not good enough, just 7 points from 16. It's ok saying these games are not must win, or it is a long season, but we need an upturn in performance and results or we are already out of contention. We can't just count it like we have in the past, there are too many sides playing at a level above us.
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| We need Garbutt back, we don't have any power in the middle at the start of games. Singleton and Cuthbertson don't give us that, we came back into it when Peteru and Mullally came on, and went to 5hit again when they went off, and Walters came on.
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| Another example of repeating the same old dross churning out the same results.
Start poor ,plod through the first 25 minutes start trying , gain momentum take the lead then implode.
Many of this squad have reached their sell by date & just 2/3 changes wont rectify it imo.
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| Golding, dear me. What a sad indictment of our current squad that he picks picked week after week.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Another example of repeating the same old dross churning out the same results.
Start poor ,plod through the first 25 minutes start trying , gain momentum take the lead then implode.
Many of this squad have reached their sell by date & just 2/3 changes wont rectify it imo.'"
Effort will only get you so far, but said it a few weeks ago, having Jjb Ablett Ferres in the side at the same time leaving us exposed against younger fitter side,
If fact ferres can F off don't want to see him in a Leeds shirt again waste of space, rather get keinhorst back or give Cameron smith a game.
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| I don't know if anyone has heard an interview from Mac but Ive just read that he thinks we're ok long term
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"We need Garbutt back, we don't have any power in the middle at the start of games. Singleton and Cuthbertson don't give us that, we came back into it when Peteru and Mullally came on, and went to 5hit again when they went off, and Walters came on.'"
We do miss Garbutt but Mullally imo offers nothing nor do i see what blame can laid on Walters for that mate.
Mullally & Ferres offer nothing ,Jjb Ablett & Cuthbo are past their best/play too many minutes & Moon goes missing for too long in games.
There's a lot of potential in that u19's pack but they'll need 2/3 hardened quality fwds to help intergrate them.
We are a better team when Parcell & Myler link so leaving the former on the bebch beggers belief.
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| Quote ="FGB"Golding, dear me. What a sad indictment of our current squad that he picks picked week after week.'"
Apart from the two dropped balls he then had a good game, was one of our better players, the backs are not really the problem, it's the lacklustre pack that's letting us down.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"I don't know if anyone has heard an interview from Mac but Ive just read that he thinks we're ok long term'"
Think he was more upset than he let on and was keeping cards close to his chest, think he knows we have a lot of work today, it's not panic stations yet, but we need big improvements and some players need it laying on the line and dropped completely
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| Brilliant Myler, Ward and Parcell. The rest an absolute shower of ***** as they say. For 20 mins very good, for 60 minutes Wire were in a different league to us.
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| Wire looked very fit and well drilled. Even Westwood has lost his belly so they look a serious outfit this year. Pack got outmuscled, I think all these hard games have taken a toll and agree with others miss Garbutt. Presume Ferres injured again tonight. Need to win the next 2 games.
Last year we won a lot of tight games as many teams including wire were pretty poor. This year others are better and our limitations are being exposed more. We can only play in short bursts
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| Again , what the fk does moon offer at pivot and how the fk is he still there?! As for starting without a hooker?! At least that only lasted 11 minutes before realising that was a shocking call.
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| Again , what the fk does moon offer at pivot and how the fk is he still there?! As for starting without a hooker?! At least that only lasted 11 minutes before realising that was a shocking call.
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