Ferres has just gone off after a poor display and losing ball near their line. 14-18 down now. We look knackered

cuthbo try. need to see this out

You spoke too soon

yep. me and my big mouth

Undone all the good work on Friday. Baffling use of subs. Again.

indeed. players looking shattered and subs barely used, this 3 days after a game. he's an idiot at times

Don't know what the f### going on, our inconsistency if alarming certainly in the second half. We really need to have a new coach next year mcd just baffles.

Inconsistent? We always lose at Widnes.

Really not worth getting upset about this. It's a bit of a run out, a chance to give the odd player a game or to make a comeback after injury. Don't think many sides will be losing too much sleep about a win or a loss in this round. It may even make one or two owners and chief execs show a bit of spine to those who think the fixture list as it stands is a good thing.

Don't be upset about it?

I'm livid.

indeed. especially as we were in control. the players ran out of steam.
those two points could prove vital.

Problem there Clearwing is he didn't do that.
He didn't use his subs correctly flogging players instead of sparing them.
Knowing we were playing 3 games in 8 days we should have played the 4 lads currently playing at Bradford.
Poor management by the club be it our coach and or GH

We had an opportunity to put some daylight over the likes of Wigan and Saints and keep the pressure on Salford but we blew it.

Just what is the point of Widnes?

To stop us from getting over confident perhaps

The thing is, this isn't said with hindsight, it was perfectly clear to everyone long before.

Calm down calm down. Top spot was never really in the equation this season, even more so after the first cas loss. We still have a good chance of second spot, the way the season is shaping up 2nd/3rd may well be the better places to finish (look at the makeup of teams and their positions and think about it).

won't say that if we finish 5th.................

That's a bad defeat no doubt, but having two games over 4 days again a month after doing it over the easter period too is a nonsense. And we are expected to back up again on Friday FFS an absolute joke imo, and i can absolutely see the views of players and coaches when they speak out on this.

For McDermott of all coaches to say anything is hypocritical to the extreme. And with that his players should also be looking closer to home.

I agree with the point, but you work within it for player welfare, not make it worse.

Shouldn't the question be what is the point of Walters?

Kind of glad I spent most of Monday nursing a hangover now. Was the second half really as bad as it sounded on the radio?

The second half in reality was no different to the first, the warning signs were there in the first half. We had absolutely no kicking game, other than an hoof in the air, our movement across in defence was cumbersome and slow, and we had officials who I have no idea where they were pulled from.

Why pick substitutes you have no faith in and have no intention of using !! FFS pick replacements you have some faith in.

Sounds like we could have used the lads we sent to Bradford during this congested period. Even if we only had Lilley it would have given us a kicking game and freed Moon up to go back into the centres. I don't understand why we didn't wait until this week to let them go on loan.