Totally agree it was an awful game not helped by the weather or inept officiating.

That said, defensively we were the best we have been all season so it looks as though something on the training ground is being translated to match day. I thought the forwards worked really hard in particular.

On the negative we continue to drop ball and complete far too few sets. We also look poor near the opposition line.

Still, it's a win and a niling so it automatically ranks in the top 5 performances this season

Fantastic game of utter garbage by both sides



I've seen some games in the 80's which I assumed would never be overtaken in that regard but last night was a watershed in more ways than one.

To the fans who stayed to the bitter end, I salute you.

The club do not deserve the loyalty and support shown by the fans. They'll take anything positive right now. Even that which was served up last night.

I'm sure GH is relieved that he can continue to extract revenue from them.

For the time being anyway.

Jeff - we are all suckers - GH must laughing his nuts off - that is until he tries to sell season tickets for the Championship with King Brian riding through Headingley on the shoulders of our Spanish resident.

If what was served up last night is considered [i'much improved'[/i by the usual sugar-coating suspects in here, then I cannot even begin to imagine what has been served on previous occasions this season.

There were several fixtures last week in the NRL which were played in atrocious conditions. Roosters V Tigers was played in conditions of torrential downpour throughout. Neither of those two struggling NRL sides served up the level of mistake-ridden slapstick that Leeds and Salford did last night.

3 more errors in hull vs wire game

And the point is?

It just further demonstrates how far Leeds have fallen.....the standards in SL are shiite and there has being a distinct levelling down even further this season....with Leeds plummeting off the end of a bloody steep cliff !!

Thank fukk standards are soo low are Leeds' points difference could have been on the record books for centuries if not eternity

Just glad to win a match, The team seemed committed on defence for a change and I appreciated the effort.

Plus, as extra entertainment, we had the most comedy ref I've seen in years.

..and yet McDermott claimed they have been working on and committed to defence these last ...how many weeks??? If it was 'for a change' does that mean McDermott, GH and the club have been taking the proverbial p**s all this time?

What do people want? They lose and leak tries and they hammered for it. They work hard, tighten up and nil a team and get hammered for it.

Forget what happened last season or even before that, its gone.

People wanted effort and commitment and the players gave it.

I know fans are fickle but hell, give a bit of credit.

Why do we need to give a bit of credit and be grateful for what should be a minimum expectation....and should have been many weeks ago?

The issue is that for many weeks the plea from the management from a persistently losing team was that the lads were putting it this same said 'effort and committment' ...so were they.....or was that a lie?

Do you honestly belief that as professional athletes and more generally as human beings they were consciously turning up to 'work' to give less than their best? Of course not, everyone tries their best.

Sometimes it's good enough, sometimes not. They are a team low on confidence. Last night they got a couple of breaks and coupled with a good defence got the win.

To suggest they aren't giving their best at any point is juvenile.

You stated 'what do people want' and [uthis[/u time they gave 'effort and commitment'...!!!

Obviously you're one of the ones easily pleased.

I'm sure your devoted, unwavering support is far from juvenile and will be recognised and rewarded.

I'm with Fallon on this.

I have been BMD's biggest critic (well, one of them - there's plenty of competition!) & continue to question whether he can coach a team that is not liberally spread with international leaders & game-changers.

But, come on, we have all been citing the lack of defensive desire &/or structure for some weeks. That was evident last night.

Sure, if we had been playing a better side (& in dry conditions), we probably wouldn't have won. But we weren't. I am, like Fallon & others, quite frankly happy that there appears to be much more commitment & a little more organisation. Hopefully, we can build on this.

One thing - McGuire appears to be so far out of form (I know he hasn't been the only one) since his return & this is exacerbating our problem of lack of ideas in the opposition 20.

If we are to believe that the standards of SL have fallen over the past few years then the reffing standards hit an all time low last night. Chris Kendall was a million miles away from a SL standard ref and was way out of his depth.

If we hadn't had won last night I doubt that I'd have found Mr Kendall's performance quite so comical.

Hes a young lad who is new to super league. I thought he did well at Wakey last week and saw little wrong in 1st half last night. Bit iffy in 2nd half but not as bad as some are making out.

I wish people would stop rabbiting on about the standards falling in super league. It's getting ridiculous, way over the top.

The top teams are not as good as they used to be, but the middle tier teams and ones near the bottom are leagues are ahead of where they used to be. Things have leveled out. From a[i results perspective[/i the league is exciting, there's not enough talent in this country to have 12 teams playing at a high standard, so you either get a couple of teams at top stop standard with the rest sh*te, or you get alot of teams at a similar level. There's not enough money for RL in this country to complete with the NRL so this is where we are, make the most of it or stop f*cking watching.l

We are all entitled to an opinion...once people stop "rabbiting on" we have no forum for exchange of [iopinions[/i

The fact there is not enough money in RL is not disputed: has anyone said otherwise?
Whatever the reasons I believe the standards are crap ....so little to get excited about this season IMO. ... and yes I reserve the right to stop f*cking watching as you so delightfully put it. In fact I often do take this option....and it is becoming more often.

I wish you'd take the option of not posting on this forum every 5 minutes.

It just the ''exchange of opinions'' is the same, repeatedly. Again and again. And again.

Why do you expect everyone to come round to your way of thinking - when you are so dogmatic about yours?

Don't think he said he expects others to come round to his way of thinking.....and a bit rich coming from somebody who constantly says to me "accept your wrong" just because you don't agree with my opinion.

Think this is a spot on post.

When a team has been struggling and losing like ours then you're hardly going to break that losing run with some top notch Grand Final-esque winning performance. It's like a striker in football whose gone 10-12 games without a goal, he's more than likely going to break his spell with a two yard tap in rather than a 30 yard volley or a cricketer in a bad run of form when he does finally score some runs he usually has to scrap his way to a score.

It was a step forward which is always a good thing. Has the last two weeks been only 1/2 steps forward instead of several? Yes of course but that's a realistic path instead of expecting/demanding miracles.

As for the weather it didn't exactly help us at times either and a lot of our struggles to score more can be put down to a poor McGuire performance and Cuthbertson very disappointing also. That shouldn't take away from good efforts across the park and for the earlier criticism of McGuire I thought he along with Burrow made sure we got a lot of decent kicks away on the 5th without the messing around throwing the ball about confusion of most season when it's come to the last tackle. On the other side of the coin we did a better job of applying pressure and as such a lot of kicks from Salford went down the throats of Sutcliffe and Handley so we started a lot sets well set with field position.

Even when you are blatantly wrong you will never accept it - that is when you are not playing devil advocate



I don't come on here telling people not to post unless it complies with my way of thinking - everyone is entitled to an opinion whether I agree or I don't.

Because it only blatantly exists in your head and your opinion that I'm wrong, not through fact.



No but you're one of a clique of posters who are utterly dismissive and look down your nose at us "sheep"......don't see anyone telling others not to post on here unless it complies with their opinion.

For what it'a worth, my take on Fridays game:
A much improved defensive effort, when was the last time we nilled a team? I'm sure there are some on here that'll have that fact to hand
The defence was not without errors but there seemed a genuine desire to work for each other and Salford may not have been good but there was some good last play options from them (Dobson and Lui in particular) and generally were dealt with but not without some nervous moments.
The game was a complete knock-on-a-thon but after getting home and watching Warrington v Hull FC where the conditions were nowhere near as bad i forgave Leeds a little more than i did whilst at the ground
Watkins seemed to be still 3rd tackler in and then going to 1st or 2nd marker leaving first tackler to retreat to the line leaving gaps that thankfully Salford didn't exploit
The attack still seems to be a bigger problem, we seem to move through the midfield fairly effectively but once in a good attacking position we seem to have little idea on how to break the opposition defence. Personally i put this down to having no effective leadership on the field. McGuire has been a great servant to the club and one of the best support players in SL. This is not enough to lead a team around a field. In the past (sorry if harping on) he has played along side a great leader and has grown up playing with, so even if Sinny didn't have to tell him where to stand or what was coming McGuire is no Sinfield. He doesn't have the connection with a halfback partner and doesn't know how to lead the team, he doesn't have the brains for it and we are a rudderless ship floating along wherever the current takes us. This is not solely McGuires fault as there doesn't seem to be enough movement off the ball. The lack of effective dummy runners, the fact that you could often throw a towel over the forwards they are that tightly bunched. Certain individuals are obviously not match ready,
to finish on a tiny bit of advice for BMD if they are not fit, our season is shot, don't play them. Use a kid, doesn't matter what happens now, we need bodies back for the middle 8's so get them fit for then