Of course it is just a way of stating person. When I was much younger I used to think it referred to the actual personality of an individual and often wondered why some won it on that basis



The whole thing is flawed anyway when relying on the public vote....some very deserving individuals (not least our Kevin) have simply no chance of winning it because the majority of the great British voting public

are truly ignorant of all the facts (whatever they might be voting for).
The winner will be the most high profile; most in the news at the time of voting.

When you think of some of the other winners of public votes i have to agree it's probably the worst way to select anything.

In other words democracy sucks?

Unfortunately it does....somebody once said to me people should have to pass an IQ/and or knowledge of basic facts test first before they are allowed to vote. That I think would leave about 2% of the population in a position to do so.

..the forthcoming vote on EU membership is a nightmare fulfilled. Instead of a referendum we should all just ask Murdoch what he wants: it will save a lot of wasted time and effort.

In all seriousness my ex father in law always advocated we should all look no further than Singapore for the ideal model of government rule - i.e. benevolent dictatorship. Saves all this lottery of placing important decisions in the hands of bigots, buffoons and sheep.

I have to say I have a great deal of sympathy with these thoughts. However, for every benevolent dictator there are 10 of a very different nature - would you always be sure of which one you were going to get?

Just the "public".

Was 5th favourite with the various bookies the other day at around 20/1, now they have him third (or joint third with Fury with some bookies) at around 10/1.

Murray and Ennis-Hill look like they'll comfortably take the top 2 spots but maybe JUST MAYBE Sinfield could land 3rd spot which would be incredible.

Is the voting open? Let's get him in the top 3 at least!

firstly, I take little interest in SPOTY, as it is an elitest propaganda event run by the BBC.

Secondly trying to rig the vote is doing exactly what a lot of posters on here are complaining about.

Thirdly, even if you discount the above arguments, what percentage of the population will be RL fans, and of them given our parochial culture of club bias, would be willing to vote for a Leeds RL player and of them what percentage will actually vote.

An "elitist propaganda event", which this year will likely devote the largest slice of its time to football and athletics - probably about as far from "elitist" sports as you can get?

Aye, alright then.

Can't handle this place.

Never known a forum to have so many moaning argumentative boring tw-ts

Aye, let's not have opinions.

*holds door open*

This is a zen paradise of concensus and enlightenment compared to the Sin Bin these days.

Think your ex father in law is very wise. If I was I was in charge sir Kevin would win and be a role model for the great unwashed hordes. Dread to think what bang might do this forum if he held the reins of power

An estimated 10 million people will watch SPOTY - I'm pretty sure that there'll be a segment dedicated to Sinny.

That's roughly 9.85 million people watching something RL related that usually wouldn't.

See it as a victory for RL that Kev got nominated in the first place.

Since when has benign been defined as Restrictions on Freedom of Expression, Peaceful Assembly, and Association, detention without trial, death penalty & torture?

Probably a wrong use of words, the elitist element relates to the high browsers in the BBC who will dictate the content to suit their preferences, and it is not just RL that suffers, there are many other sports in which people participate that are also given minimal recognition.

Let's be honest there's no 'ideal' form of government. We will all always be mere puppets in some poltical agenda to control, manipulate and assert power over. For example ever wondered why you're only a registered keeper of the car you think you own? The differences between legal and lawful??

As far as 'our Kev' is concerned, despite being the epitome of how a (hugely) successful captain and sportsman should professionally conduct himself, he has no chance of winning

Not to mention the old chestnut of how they treat immigrant low paid domestic workers from the region. Jet lagged I was wake flicking through TV channels one night and came across a "public information film/morality play" targetted at immigrant domestics about how they should avoid "tempting" their male employer to get them pregnant. Basically if he rapes you and gets you up the duff it's your faultfor being too provocative.

Still, there's no chewing gum on the pavement and the Taxi's don't rip you off.

Nope, can't say I have ever lost sleep over that one. Especially as I don't own a penis substitute. I do wonder about the difference between a citizen & a subject though.

Compare & contrast in how many ways government & royalty have impinged upon your life

I'll never be a royalist but that's a very good point.

metro.co.uk/2015/12/03/petition- ... m-5541862/ A petition gathering momentum to have Fury removed, that would significantly improve Sinfield's chances of getting 3rd place.

metro.co.uk/2015/12/03/petition- ... m-5541862/ A petition gathering momentum to have Fury removed, that would significantly improve Sinfield's chances of getting 3rd place.

Like I said, totally full of $h1t.

He's in more bother now for sexist comments he's made

"Fury has caused outrage this week after video on YouTube showed him giving his views on women. He says: "A woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back, that's my personal belief."

Fury also gave his opinion on women in boxing, in which he spoke about the ring girls who "give me inspiration, when I'm tired and I see them wiggling around with their round two, round eight (cards)".

When asked about British heptathlete Ennis-Hill, Fury said: "That's the runner isn't it?

"I think she's good, she's won quite a few medals for Britain, she slaps up good as well, when she's got a dress on she looks quite fit."

British boxing officials are apparently meeting to discuss his comments and the issue has been raised in the House of Commons too so don't be surprised to see the BBC buckle too and take him out of the running for the award. His odds have now slipped to around 16-20/1 now making Sinfield the sole third favourite with bookies at around 10/1 still. Murray remains odds on, Ennis-Hill around 2/1 and Hamilton around 20-25/1. Froome and Farah are struggling back at around 60-100/1