oh i don't know ..he looked just like Burrow when he crabbed across in making Watkins' try.


That was pretty 'crucial'

How to win friends and influence them

I'm not saying he hasn't done some good things but there seems more and more mistakes creeping into his game.

Well he can claim innocence like he and his friends always do but to come out and pinpoint me about the 69% completion percentage and say "surely you should be concerned about this given how much emphasis you put on numbers on a spread sheet?" given that I hadn't expressed an opinion on the completion rate was him baiting no matter how much he acts innocent.

Why add the "emphasis on numbers and spreadsheets" otherwise? And all the other 3 have been guilty of doing the same in the last several days. However I've put all four on my ignore list now as I can't seem to post on here without them going after me in numbers. And yes there's a difference between debating and arguing with someone on here and then just going after them as they usually do in numbers with at least one of them coming in as back-up to support one another in any debate with a "FWIW Printer I agree with Gotcha/Tvoc/Rhinoms/Sal and you've got it wrong".

But as I said I've put them on the ignore list as I'm truly fed up of their repetitive, negative and teamwork like postings and attacks on anyone who dare speak the slightest bit of positive about the club.

More bollox and paranoid ramblings!
Many times on here I've disagreed with those you mention above and debated as such!
You as your posts prove time and again bring stats up when debating performances no?
The point is and always was about the stat I posted I don't "claim" anything I'm telling you point blank what was meant you don't know me so don't claim to know how my posts are intended.
All this going after you in numbers is complete and utter delusion it may come as a shock but sometimes various posters agree on certain things and on others they don't.
Be as positive as you want and i'll post whether I agree or not with anyone on this forum you need to ditch this "they have it in for me" rubbish because I can assure you 100% its a forum for debate and opinions not a clique or even worse some sort of "anti positive" gang.

Grow up - you cannot throw insults around like "small endowed" and not expect a reaction. Your manhood is of no concern of mine. You also cannot be a forceful as you are in your opinion and also not expect a counter argument, especially when your view seems often to be in a minority of one. I have no truck with anyone on here and I have had my run ins with virtually every serious poster on here - you are no exception. If you spout stuff as fact that is just opinion expect to to brought down a peg or two - that is that is happening here.

printer, you make some good and thoughtful posts. you also seem to love to pick fights.
if you do this expect people to fight back.

Top response IMHO

To quote one stat (69% completion) in total isolation is just plain daft in my view and further more highlights the "negativity" point very clearly.

Printer should keep on keeping on

What's daft about it?

He said it in relation to a comment of improving.

To put another way. If we repeated a 69% completion rate against the top sides, do you think we would win?

Nothing daft about it at all. Only daft thing is to ignore an actual fact.

Strange how, in Salford's last 5 matches, three of which we won and two which we lost by small margins, it was the opposition who were poor and not Salford who played well. Doesn't matter though. We can live with that.

Not at all it was a good hard fought win but that particular point made was explained clearly!

Its just daft so are IF`s and BUT`s ...................IN MY VIEW



If you dont agree then thats OK

OK?



To answer your question then YES it might be OK and we might win it would depend on the outcome of lots of other stats............ hence it being a daft question.

IMHO

No, it's a daft comment.



Do you really think Leeds will come up with a 69% completion rate against the top sides when it matters?

It would be daft to suggest they intentionally came up with a 69% completion rate, which you just did.

Yeah they did it on purpose

You know exactly what I meant.

Feel free to produce any stats that show a completion rate that low in a play off game over the last 10 years and i'll be happy to take it back.

Nobody ever won a game because they had a better completion rate than the opposition.

They might've got easier.

Wigan lose and can only muster 8 points against a Bradford team who concede points for fun.

Warrington lose AT HOME to Wakefield and concede 40 points, much worst than going down narrowly 16-14 in the dying seconds away from home like we did.

To go back to one of the OP points "will we cope?"

Maybe we will, maybe we won't, only time will tell.

But the same can easily be said of all the others around us.

Rogues said on the Wigan forum that Wigan had a horrible completion rate today.

That's it for Wigan then this year. Sack the coach and start planning for 2015.

Wigan Warriors 13 Leeds Rhinos 13, 28th Sept 2012. Leeds made the Grand Final in a tough, absorbing game. Their completion rate that night was very low. I recall Delaney having a fantastic game but turning the ball over an awful lot.

Still not sure about him myself, gives needless penalty's away at the very worst time for me, he doesn't seem to have much control over his aggression.

I would still like to see how he goes next year with a full off season and hopefully no injuries/illness

Aiton's discipline is no worse than JJB, or Ablett, or Peacock's traditional one high tackle penalty every game.

He offers good options out of dummy half, he's very good at engaging the markers with little jumps out before passing and his service is generally of a high standard.

You might want to get a stat check on that result.



According to Opta Leeds made 17 errors (with Delaney being credited with 4) to Wigan's 12

Interestingly just watched the 2011 Grand Final again

Saints winning 16-8 after 62 minutes and the commentator reports the following completion rates: Saints 79% success. Leeds 21% success.

That's f*cked up.

Still don't know how we won that game from the position we were in and the defending we'd done in the 2nd half. My most favourite 15 minutes of watching leeds, ever, period.