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| A bad performance but the reality is it means f*ck all. Beat catalans and we'll guarantee 4th, then we just need 3 massive performances.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Oh I don`t know.
I think an away trip to Wigan is the easiest route having lost 3 times to Huddersfield already this season.
Having said that we could be playing HKR again only this time in the play offs.'"
Huddersfield wili bottle the playoffs as they did the CC quarter final. No way will you lose 4th place to Saints. As far as Leeds are concerned, job is done for now!
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| As a neutral tonight Leeds played for 70 like it didn't mean squat. Think Leeds will still win this year as left loads in the tank for when it matters. KR played as well as will have done all year and a ref not knowing when to go to the screen was the difference in the end.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"A bad performance but the reality is it means f*ck all. Beat catalans and we'll guarantee 4th, then we just need 3 massive performances.'"
You won't beat Catalan unless you need to. Which is highly unlikely as Saints need to win all their remaining games to challenge you for 4th, which is highly unlikely!
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| Dull as dishwater. Another one that left me questioning why bother with a season ticket.
At one point Sinfield was at hooker, Hall at first receiver and McShane 2nd receiver.I'll be told soon this is ingenuity.
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| Quote ="G1"Dull as dishwater. Another one that left me questioning why bother with a season ticket.
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Surprised its taken you this long to query that. Leeds season doesn't begin until September. You'd be better off just buying a ticket for Old Trafford each year!
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| I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the fact that the Rovers players only had to get back 5 yards all night no wonder they kept up the intensity all night and were on top of us before we'd even had chance to pass the ball!
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| Quote ="casben"I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the fact that the Rovers players only had to get back 5 yards all night no wonder they kept up the intensity all night and were on top of us before we'd even had chance to pass the ball!'"
True...but it's up to the team to find some guile to overcome this. As per in the immortal words of Stevo why not 'chip over the top' ..or try some Dobson like kicks behind the line to get the opposition back tracking? There can be no excuse for the lack of ideas near the line, epitomised tonight by, what?, 30 consecutive tackles? Hopeless.
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| According to the usual suspects on Sky, the game was utterly compelling and edge-of-seat stuff just like yesterday's Warrington V Widnes game. Super League just keeps throwing up all these entertaining games and providing exciting shocks and what a fantastic round it's been so far.
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| Quote ="William Eve"According to the usual suspects on Sky, the game was utterly compelling and edge-of-seat stuff just like yesterday's Warrington V Widnes game. Super League just keeps throwing up all these entertaining games and providing exciting shocks and what a fantastic round it's been so far.'"
This has been one of the poorest seasons I can remember....such poor fayre but yet Leeds are still guaranteed to finish in their highest position under McDermott's tenure. A sad reflection of the sliding SL standards IMO.
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Just got back from the game and we were really poor. The attack worries me, there is no fluidity in the plays and passes. In the first half our short kicking game was poor. BJB appeared to make more yards going backwards than forward, but from what I saw he appeared to just get hospital passes all night. Burrow and kev passing was very sluggish. Burrow I liked his effort in defence in the first half, but his running across the line cutting out options is getting a bit repetitive, it is a dangerous weapon, but I feel he needs to be more selective with his darts. Forwards were poor and I hope we buy a decent hooker because for me neither mcshane or burrow are the answer in that position'"
Compare and contrast to Dobson. Swap Burrow for Dobson and we would have won that by a cricket score, regardless of how Hull KR defend.
The obsession with going left to Hall was frustrating as hell. Hall is a great finisher in the main, a supremely powerful athlete. But he has no rugby brain at all, he simply can not read a game. We should mix it up and utilise the right.
Mind you one of the few times we went right, Burrow did his impression of never being to specsavers running to the southstand. A 15 yard pass to Duckworth and he was in. But no Burrow has to hold hold hold, then put it at the lads legs, when he had given up any hope of Burrow passing. A bombed opportunity, not the wingers fault.
The halfs until Sinfields brilliant last 15 minutes performance were just awful, and it is hard to have a go at others because the main receivers just didn't move the team around, and quite frankly had nothing in their locker.
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| It was all very slow and predictable, you could see what was coming a mile away.either Burrow would pick it up from dummy half and zip along the line before getting smashed or giving a hospital pass to a forward who was static,or Sinfield would get the ball in what seemed like slow motion and pass it out the back to either BJB or Sutcliffe time and time again.The KR defence, solid as it was, had a very easy time of reading what we were going to do.
Again,Watkins was not seeing enough of the ball.one of the biggest threats in the league its criminal how underused he is,i dont recall him brought into play during any of those five or six consecutive sets we had on their line in the second half.
im Trying not to read too much into it as we have been here before in recent years but hopefully after the week off and getting some more bodys back we can kick it up a gear or two for last two games before the play offs.
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| Quote ="William Eve"According to the usual suspects on Sky, the game was utterly compelling and edge-of-seat stuff just like yesterday's Warrington V Widnes game. Super League just keeps throwing up all these entertaining games and providing exciting shocks and what a fantastic round it's been so far.'"
Well, to be fair i thought both games would have been routine wins for Wire and Leeds and they were poor choices for the TV games, but no matter how well you consider those two teams to have played both games were contests and the result was in doubt going into the last 5-10 minutes.Isnt that we have all been crying out for over the past few years? Much better than watching a one sided drubing if you ask me, even if my team lost and the standards were down a bit.
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| Quote ="casben"I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the fact that the Rovers players only had to get back 5 yards all night no wonder they kept up the intensity all night and were on top of us before we'd even had chance to pass the ball!'"
If that's 5 yards I hope you don't fit carpets
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| William eve's sarcasm on the matter is not appreciated.
This constant nostalgia and obsession with it ''being better back in the day'' is getting ridiculous. So much so that the early years of super league are now almost considered halycon days.
I think back to earlier times, say 2005, leeds could toss it off and play completley flat like they did last night but still win easily by 40 or 50 points, and they did so on many occasions. Back then people would bemoan the lack of competition, why can't the games be closer? why can't there be more upsets?
You can't win.
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| At the moment we seem a bit clueless with ball in hand, we just pass it along the line and hope a gap will appear, or someone will miss a tackle. Burrow in spite of his running across the line is trying to make something happen.
Our running from the play the ball was slow and predictable, credit to the rovers aggressive defence they did a good job on us. Our forwards were second best apart from JP.
So it looks like the fourth spot beckons with the prospect of a trip to the giants, things will have to improve or we will win nowt this season.
BM said in his post match interveiw that rovers had stopped some of the moves we were trying to do, unfortunately I could not see any of these moves. So rovers must have been spectacular successful or the moves were non existant.
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| First we are in that part of the year when the only people that seem to care about the rugby on show are the supporters. We are all aware that coded talk of peaking for the play offs and timing our run actually translates as we are going to finish 4th so we are going to play well within ourselves and keep plenty in the tank for the playoffs.
But at least we are used to it by now, and buy season tickets well aware that the dull rubbish served up last night comes as part of the package. They could even add that as a feature of membership on the marketing material and no one would bat an eyelid.
The ineptness with the ball last night was not an isolated one off, its the biggest issue this team have had under this coaching set up.
BJB had a bad night, and his defensive lapse was embarrassing, but the diabolical quality of ball he received was directly responsible for him consistently getting smashed.
Watkins (and Duckworth) were criminally underused, the failure to pass the ball right quickly and accurately is the kind of issue an U13's team should have not a team of internationals.
I had my doubts about McGuire coming back this season, but frankly it cannot come quick enough. Even if he is on one leg at least he has developed a range of passing and play-making that we so desperately need to open up defences; and if he does get picked it will surely see the end of McShane who cannot seem to put a foot right playing at HQ.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"At the moment we seem a bit clueless with ball in hand, we just pass it along the line and hope a gap will appear, or someone will miss a tackle. Burrow in spite of his running across the line is trying to make something happen.
Our running from the play the ball was slow and predictable, credit to the rovers aggressive defence they did a good job on us. Our forwards were second best apart from JP.
So it looks like the fourth spot beckons with the prospect of a trip to the giants, things will have to improve or we will win nowt this season.
BM said in his post match interveiw that rovers had stopped some of the moves we were trying to do, unfortunately I could not see any of these moves. So rovers must have been spectacular successful or the moves were non existant.'"
The only 'moves' as such i saw was the one with the player linking out the back which is simple and can be effective if done correctly( see Wigan) but moves like this only work off the back off good forward drives, quick play the balls, and forwards running good decoy lines to put doubt in the defenders minds.We had none of that hence the ease at which it was snuffed out time and again.
Fair play to KR though.They turned up with the right attitude and worked really hard for one another to get the result and fully deserved it.
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| Quote ="William Eve"According to the usual suspects on Sky, the game was utterly compelling and edge-of-seat stuff just like yesterday's Warrington V Widnes game. Super League just keeps throwing up all these entertaining games and providing exciting shocks and what a fantastic round it's been so far.'"
That made me laugh. Talk about trying to polish a t**d.
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| Awful game, not helped by Silverwood forgetting there is an off side rule in rugby league. Highlighted the few times Leeds did manage to play the ball quickly and Rovers defenders simply didn't bother to retire.
Leeds delivery from dummy half has to be the slowest and worst in the league. We have tried every f*****r in the team in theat position and there isn't one that can deliver a pass quickly and accurately. And why start with McShane at 9 and then replace him so quickly? It was hilarious watching tiny Rob trying to pinch one from dummy half.
Why did we move BJB to fullback? He can't tackle and watching him trying to act as a link in attack was hilarious. Why move Hardaker? He's been outstanding at FB, absolute catastrophe - stick Ablett at centre (where he belongs) - it's worked for the last several years!!!!
An honest appraisal of the game would be two poor attacking teams, one managed to kick two more goals than the other (gifted of course). HKR never looked like scoring a try - of the two they did score one should clearly have gone to the video ref to review and be dissalowed and the second was awful defence - both surreal and completely unbelieveable. Leeds were unable to work out how to deal with a defence that didn't fall off in the tackle and managed to evade any offside laws and HKR had absolutely no attacking threat at all. HKR deserved the result, just.
Grim end of season rubbish.
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| Quote ="DHM"Awful game, not helped by Silverwood forgetting there is an off side rule in rugby league. Highlighted the few times Leeds did manage to play the ball quickly and Rovers defenders simply didn't bother to retire.
Leeds delivery from dummy half has to be the slowest and worst in the league. We have tried every f*****r in the team in theat position and there isn't one that can deliver a pass quickly and accurately. And why start with McShane at 9 and then replace him so quickly? It was hilarious watching tiny Rob trying to pinch one from dummy half.
Why did we move BJB to fullback? He can't tackle and watching him trying to act as a link in attack was hilarious. Why move Hardaker? He's been outstanding at FB, absolute catastrophe - stick Ablett at centre (where he belongs) - it's worked for the last several years!!!!
An honest appraisal of the game would be two poor attacking teams, one managed to kick two more goals than the other (gifted of course). HKR never looked like scoring a try - of the two they did score one should clearly have gone to the video ref to review and be dissalowed and the second was awful defence - both surreal and completely unbelieveable. Leeds were unable to work out how to deal with a defence that didn't fall off in the tackle and managed to evade any offside laws and HKR had absolutely no attacking threat at all. HKR deserved the result, just.
Grim end of season rubbish.'"
Has anyone got any cyanide?
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| Agree DHM. Apart from the last 8 minutes that was a dreadful game of RL. Our lack of attacking organisation is worrying, seemed to be no ideas whatsoever.
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| I can only think that we're unable consistently to pass the ball from left to right.
We have arguably the best attacking right centre in SL up against one of the weakest tacklers in SL (Dobson) & yet despite showing that it can work - Sutcliffe breaks the combined tackle of Lovegrove & Dobson to put Watkins in afetr 20 minutes.
But we hardly do it again all evening.
Baffling.
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| Another nail in the season ticket coffin for me.
A season ticket is simply no longer worth buying. With a couple of games missed due to work/holidays, and the number of these types of performances (usually saved for Salford, Wakey, London, KR), it's just not worth it.
That game was only entertaining for the last 5 mins and that is purely down to how Leeds approached this game. Their attitude and effort for the first 70 mins last night was an insult to the paying fans, and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. I've got better things to spend my hard earned money, and ever decreasing free time on.
I actually was really looking forward to this game - I thought the whole Graham Murray tribute was excellent, and presumed the team would come out firing on all cylinders as a mark of respect for the occasion. Clearly the team didn't get that memo. That performance was certainly not the sort Murray would have enjoyed.
These types of performance are exactly why I won't travel to places like Salford anymore, and I will be picking and choosing home games too next year.
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| It`s the same every week.
Burrow is not an acting half from the play the ball.
His passing is slow and he is so predictable it is untrue.
Hardaker is in the top 3 FB `s in the league yet we play him at centre.
The forwards apart from JP and Singo were slow with no drive whatsoever.
If BJB thinks his best position id FB well he needs to think again.
How many carries from the undroppable this week!?
Almost 30 tackles in the KR 25 and we have no idea how to break it.
If we win the GF it says nothing of how good we are.
It simply shows how sh$te this league is
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