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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"But if Sam had of scooped the award it would have been ok then?'"
Oooooo ya not wrong! That Bull factory of a board would have gone into over drive! Wigan would have been flooded with all the cum!
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| Quote ="finglas"IMO these awards should be taken with a pinch of salt, recognition of a very good player but opinion of the best player is always a matter of opinion.
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| Chuffed for Sinfield, i think he is an excellent palyer and even better leader. He is one of the reasons why you lot have dominated rugby for the last six years. I have always rated English players with how they do against the Aussies. Some great players in Super league have done naff all against them. Sinfield has always caught my eye when even getting put in stupid posistions like hooker. Aussies are like cryptanite with Tomkins, never done a thing. Couldn't tie Sinfield or Halls boots at international level.
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| Sir Kev is actually receiving the recognition he deserves this close season for all those amazing achievements throughout his career.
He is going down in history already, and he aint no where near finished.
Congratulations Sir Kev, well deserved. Our greatest Captain ever.
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| Obviously Sam shouldn't of even been shortlisted!! If Sinfield is winning it only Anthony Gelling should of been nominated from Wigan
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"But if Sam had of scooped the award it would have been ok then?'"
The Wigan fans are just annoyed as they were half-way through making the flag to celebrate.
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| Quote ="thaiad24"i can see why the players voted for Sam, he is so illusive and shows sparks of brilliance and im sure many of the players voted for him by remembering a blistering run he made around them in a game and they thought at the time 'blimey that was bl00dy good'
you don't get that with Sinfield, he isn't flash, he isn't spectacular but he is excellent at leading/kicking/thinking and the most important player in the most successful SL team ever
cant people on here be happy that an English guy won the award? instead of discrediting him at every chance? We ALL should be proud that a SL player is recognized in this way'"
Personally I completely agree with all of that, and am chuffed to bits for the fella - any recognition he gets is well and truly earned. I can see how some people would question this though, particularly those who aren't Leeds fans, who of course don't appreciate the impact he has as much as us Leeds fans.
There are much better individual players out there, hence him not getting in the world 13, but what he has done for the Leeds club over the last decade or so cannot be over stated. People are bound to argue though that this doesn't make him the individual best player of the past 12 months, and I'd tend to agree.
There are dozens of better individual players out there - but I'd doubt any of them would have had the impact Sinfield has had a Leeds. For me, he is fundamental to the culture of the club, and that's what has won us our titles, not superb individual players.
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| Quote ="finglas"Quote ="dany1979"Nice to see him get the recognition he deserves and very nice for an English player to win the award.
A nice confidence boost ahead of the world cup, not just for Sinfield but also for the rest of the England team.'"
Should help with the Aussie coaches motivational speech as well.
IMO these awards should be taken with a pinch of salt, recognition of a very good player but opinion of the best player is always a matter of opinion.
In football i find it amazing that English players are regularly offered up for the european player of the year, or that england are constantly in the top 8 of the world rankings.'"
Why? If they don't like it they should've played more test matches. Given what he's achieved this season this award is deserved. I fail to see ho an award can be given to an Aussie or Kiwi when they've played 1 test match this year.
I've also seen the argument on here that he shouldn't get the award because of the level of opposition England has played has been poor, but by the same logic all the Austrailian's that have won the award over the last 20 odd years shouldn't have won it because Austrailia have been so dominant against the rest of the world.
And English players get nominated in football because English teams consitantly do well in the CL, and the PL is one of the world's top competitions, and to be fair an English player rarely wins it.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Why? If they don't like it they should've played more test matches. Given what he's achieved this season this award is deserved. I fail to see ho an award can be given to an Aussie or Kiwi when they've played 1 test match this year.
I've also seen the argument on here that he shouldn't get the award because of the level of opposition England has played has been poor, but by the same logic all the Austrailian's that have won the award over the last 20 odd years shouldn't have won it because Austrailia have been so dominant against the rest of the world.
And English players get nominated in football because English teams consitantly do well in the CL, and the PL is one of the world's top competitions, and to be fair an English player rarely wins it.'"
They played 2 test matches actually.. And surely 2 wins over NZ over shadows a win and loss v Exiles, 1 win over Wales and 2 vs France.
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| you could argue a case for all the nominees as they all have the extra spark thats needed to be world class
kevs standards are so high in the big pressure games that perfection or as near as is almost expected
a 100% kicking ability during the play offs was exceptional as were man of the match awards on that run in
i've not seen the aussie reaction yet but no doubt its the same as the ones from wigan, tomkins is a superb player and may well yet become another british winner of the award but he doesn't affect his team as much as sinfields does and thats why most teams would prefer a sinfield in their team driving them forward rather than the flashes of brilliance that tomkins can show
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"They played 2 test matches actually'"
And England played the Exiles
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| Quote ="southyorksdave"you could argue a case for all the nominees as they all have the extra spark thats needed to be world class
kevs standards are so high in the big pressure games that perfection or as near as is almost expected
a 100% kicking ability during the play offs was exceptional as were man of the match awards on that run in
i've not seen the aussie reaction yet but no doubt its the same as the ones from wigan, tomkins is a superb player and may well yet become another british winner of the award but he doesn't affect his team as much as sinfields does and thats why most teams would prefer a sinfield in their team driving them forward rather than the flashes of brilliance that tomkins can show'"
Tomkins was nowhere near good enough for the award as Sinfield shouldnt of been either!! Cameron Smith led his club to the NRL title, his state to an Origin victory and captained Australia to 2 victories over the Kiwis. Sinfield didn't bother showing up for 90% of the season.
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| Leeds edge out Wigan to deny them again.....ouch.
Congrats Sir Kev.
Very fittting a 'golden boot', think about the way he literally kicked us to success throughout the play-off series. Very much a 'golden boot'. He also made the plays, took the knocks etc. A true leader of men.
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| Thoroughly deserved, what he did this year in the playoffs is the stuff of legend.
He is also a great example of what can be achieved without the obvious and more flashy attributes.
Of the english players i would want at wire he would top the list and has for a while.
IMO this brings further into question the timing of the MOS announcement. Sinfield would surely have been shortlisted if it was after the GF.
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"Sinfield didn't bother showing up for 90% of the season.'"
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"And England played the Exiles'"
Are you really comparing the Exiles to the current world champions in terms of quality opposition??
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| Apparantly o'loughlin is 10x the player Sinfield is according to a poster on the Wigan board
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"Are you really comparing the Exiles to the current world champions in terms of quality opposition??'"
When was the last time the current world champs beat England/GB over here?
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| Sinfield absorbs himself into the team ethos so wouldn't ever do this. But I'd love to see him wear some gold, special designed, boots throughout the 2013 season.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Sinfield absorbs himself into the team ethos so wouldn't ever do this. But I'd love to see him wear some gold, special designed, boots throughout the 2013 season.'"
perhaps we should save the golden boots for the future statue outside HQ
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| Quote JCWWRL wrote:Sinfield didn't bother showing up for 90% of the season.'"
Brilliant, just brilliant.
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| Quote ="JCWWRL"Are you really comparing the Exiles to the current world champions in terms of quality opposition??'"
No I'm using them as as rep games in a season. Games you omitted from your initial post as it didnt fit your argument, until you edited your post after realizing your error.
Living over here in aus the vibe is; as much as the players like the occasion of the Anzac test it's seen as a hindrance. To be honest over here there was a total lack of support from players, coaches and the media in regard to the value of a one off test against NZ at the seasons end.
Keep that in mind.
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| Quote ="thaiad24"perhaps we should save the golden boots for the future statue outside HQ'"
Do both. Lets be 'showy'
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Simple, Because its a different award. Golden boot has a select panel of judges.'"
Isnt the award decided bu Rugby League World magazine which as I understand is a British Publication. No one doubts that Sinfield is a great player but when a player isnt in either the Super League Dream Team, the Worlds Dream Team or even shortlisted by his fellow professionals for Man of Steel then you have to question the credibility of the award. Sinfield would be more suited to a lifetime achievement award or similar. To announce him the Worlds Best in a season when he failed to make any of the above lists is damaging to the award similar to what happened when Roby won man of steel which led to teh way the award was voted being changed !!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"No I'm using them as as rep games in a season. Games you omitted from your initial post as it didnt fit your argument, until you edited your post after realizing your error.
Living over here in aus the vibe is; as much as the players like the occasion of the Anzac test it's seen as a hindrance. To be honest over here there was a total lack of support from players, coaches and the media in regard to the value of a one off test against NZ at the seasons end.
Keep that in mind.'"
And did you the attendances at the Exiles games?? Oh the fans really got behind them and all the players who pulled out of the 2nd game
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