Where did i say ''scrap the team''? (whatever that means?) Ignoring the dramatic headline, it's obvious the team needs some surgery.

The pack comes off consistently second best against the better teams.

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It's break. You don't need to be a ''frekking genius'' for that.

I was probably more near you with the outside chance of a victory TBH. But still quietly confident and not writing them off after 10 minutes!

I don't want to fall into the trap of blaming management for the loss, but from what I have seen all year there is room for improvement in this department

I for you would be saddened to see McGuire, Burrow or Sinfield play in another teams colours, just as I was when Diskin moved on. I know there is no room for sentiment, but I'm a sentimental kind of guy!

I read something on the Wigan forum saying they could see Sinfield finishing off elsewhere. I really hope that doesn't happen but I see it becoming more and more difficult to accommodate all 3 of them yet clearly they all have something still to offer. When do the contracts run until?

I thought the issue of age would be one of the talking points if we lost because it always seem to be when we lose but can i just point out.......

Brett Hodgson - 34
Lee Briers - 34
Adrain Morley - 35
Gareth Carvell - 31
Michael Monaghan - 32
Trent Waterhouse - 31
Ben Westwood - 31
Micky Higham - 31
Paul Wood - 30

Over half of Warrington's 17 from the final are the wrong side of 30.

"[iStick a fork in this team[/i" I assume is an abbreviation of "Stick a fork in them, they're done", hence why I suggested that you wanted to scrap the team. Not an illogical step to make IMO.

Simply saying "ignore what I typed earlier, I was just be dramatic" doesn’t excuse you either. While I agree there are some changes that need to be made to the current (Championship winning) squad, I seriously don’t believe that wholesale changes need making.

Why do these threads always appear after big game losses, but not a sniff when on a lucky winning run against poor teams.

This teams been done for ages. The bile by the southstander self righteous know nowts never changed that.

Last season I backed this coach as I felt he deserved more backing to give it a go. This season has proved he is well out of his depth, even allowing for fastly ageing players.

The amount of game time some players get is poor. Our backs are still pretty good despite lacking depth and despite having to play our best forward there because of this. Although I have always had massive misgivings about BJB. Quality at times and really poor other times.

Our half backs show massive lack of competition due to the decision to go with a select individuals rather than look for competition and continuous improvement.

Our forwards are simply shocking though. Peacock defied his years yesterday and was the only forward to match up to the wire pack. Kylie can give good hard cameos, but we need more than that. Our two backrowers in JJB and Delaney are garbage and have been all year. Backrow has been a major weakness in this team. Then we put a plodding penalty machine at loose, when he should be prop. No pace and line breaking at all at the back of the scrum.

Forwards and especially backrow needs changing as a priority. JJB especially should not have this guaranteed starting spot irrespective of form. He and any other player should have to earn it each week.

I'm pretty sure we've won 2 Championships since you told us this team was done.

Forgive me if I don't value your opinion on the matter too highly. Law of averages states you'll have your moments to gloat if you spout the same bile over and over again

No we have had one championship, which is reality, so thank you for your incorrect statement.

And I can at least take some credit in that win against the odds, been one of the people prepared to speak truthfully and realistically, that gave the club and players the motivation to to try and prove the likes wrong.

Had everybody posted the same as the self righteous know nothing's, last year would never have happened.

Let me get this right...

You are taking some credit for Leeds winning a Championship because you wrote them off on an internet forum?

Now I've heard it all!

Gotcha for coach!

No, I am taking a small credit amongst the many that critisized and wrote off the team last year.

A point that the club and players went at pains to point out was the motivation for them to turn round their season and prove people wrong.

You have a problem with that? You don't think the players and club were been truthful?

I think you are embarrassing yourself pretty badly here. It wouldn't be the first time though would it?

To write a team off, and then claim credit when they win is frankly laughable.

I'm not sure "Gotcha off Soundstander" was high on their list of people who had upset them.

Why I am I so important to you here? Are you missing the point about all people who wrote them off? That is what I said, with me one of them.

If I knew I was that important to you I would have put sone decorative flags out too, whilst I shouted my importance from the roof tops.

I have too many other people far further up the pecking order mate that my importance is relied on. Forgive me for not really caring for your status of me.

As you were.

You're not - I find it pretty offensive that you are claiming credit for the victory. I think if you ask the players they'd rather the supporters were supportive to be honest.

What? Which pecking order?

You're confusing me now. Again, not for the first time!

I doubt Bailey packed down at loose forward once all game and if he did he was presumably lost. It's more likely to have been Burrow, Ward or Lunt for Leeds head and feed and Hardaker for the defensive ones.

On defensive scrums Bailey might not even pack down as he's quite likely to defend at stand-off on the open side to counter a big runner stood out of the Warrington scrum.

Yeah, but they're not being coached by McDonut

The supporters are supportive. The players don't run out to boos and abuse each week, they run out to cheers and RHINOS!!! RHINOS!!

The supporters are entitled to their opinion because they contribute to the players wages. If they want to criticise poor performances that's their chance and they are within their right to do so.

Which is fine. I, myself am critical of players and coaches from time to time. My argument was with Gotcha claiming he'd contributed to last year's Championship win by being critical.

Dealing with the topic at hand, the issue is that Peacock & Kylie, our two best forwards yesterday, will be taking their curtain call either at the end of this season or next, and that Ablett is currently stood out on the left as part of the backline. Meanwhile, Bailey is mercurial, and JJB has (for the first time in a long while) had a considerable period off form. Now, with Amor & Achurch coming back in we will have two new players to add zip. I'd add that Kirke has been vastly improved this year, and that when he'd had the minutes on field, Griffin's looked decent as well. The issue is that, in bringing in Hauraki and Moore, we have two players not pushing either the established 'stars' or having age on their side, using up cap space. While Clarkson has produced the kind of displays we need, neither of these two have, and that ought to be a concern.

Hopefully this close season will see the adding of a new left centre, or the promotion of Keinhorst, as well as another front rower (Scott Taylor of Hull KR is OOC). This will allow more time to be taken off Kylie & JP if they do stay, and more pressure put on the likes of Griffin & Bailey to produce.

Don't think Amor is coming back yet is he. Thought the decision was defered to the end of the season with it being his decision. Personally think he will pick wakey,

I fully agree with you. Warrington are possibly the best side in SL and were clear favourites before the game and the pre match worry for me was to stop them getting their usual flyer and being out of sight by half time. Remember the last time we played them at Wembley under a different coach and most of the side was 2 years younger?

We were in the game at half time and for a brief spell had the lead. Warrington were easily the best side on the day but had we not given those stupid penalties away it could have been quite a different scoreline.

We went into the game without two of our key strike players. One injured and one in disgrace. The other key strike player Burrow was possibly not fully fit and lacked his usual zip. Warrington had a good game plan to close down both Sinfield and Burrow and did so to crucial effect including a bit of biff. Yet despite these handicaps, and 4 of our 5 props being below par on the day, the game was finely balanced until our discipline let us down in the 2nd half.

So the conclusion for some is to change the coach!

The most delusional post EVER on Southstander.com

I keep coming back to it and p!ssing myself laughing. It is truly brilliant.

Yes, you got what you deserved, sadly the players didn't. You don't deserve to support this team.

So, do you want to replace the threequarterline from yesterday, if they're "done"? You want to replace Ward?

Let's just replace fans like you who haven't got a fekkin clue what they're on about.

Woah, I missed that one.

Take a well earned break.