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| Quote ="Andy R"
It's very easy to blame stewards but if people had a bit of common sense the stewards wouldn't be necessary.
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It is very easy to blame stewards because...
...what else are they there for ?
The only reason that they are part-time, casually employed staff is because thats a much, much, cheaper way to fulfil H&S requirements than to contract police officers, but they are totally infective against the sorts of issues we see highlighted after EVERY major final, Challenge Cup or Grand Final, it happens EVERY time and its only through a stroke of good luck and the fact that the mainstream press ignore the sport that we don't get spread across the front pages of the newspapers and BBC News.
As long as the RFL can keep the lid on it and as long as the media ignore it, then it will continue.
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| Quote ="kosi"Lot of worse for wear cricket fans at the t20 yesterday but not one ounce of trouble. Party atmosphere. All the Sussex fans stayed even though we'd knocked em out and had a ball!
Gutting to read this thread but No doubt that ale should not be sold during the game in my view. Whether it will make any difference is another matter as how some make it through the turnstile is a scandal in itself'"
Watched the games yesterday, and last night watching final wished I'd gone. Looked a great atmosphere. Thought Miller was going to single handedly bludgeon Yorkshire to victory....but not to be.
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| Quote ="andysilsden"Warrington fans were bad where I were sat.
Had a dig at 2 young kids enjoying the day with thier parents cos they had rhino's shirts on, then 2 of them challenged a lad in his late-teens to a fight, credit to the lad, he ignored them, another pint went flying, and finally of the idiots fell down across 2 rows of seats.
=#FF0000The answer, ban alcohol sales altogether.'" that might help short term within the stadium but they will always get tanked up further outside in the pubs. but why should it spoil other peoples enjoyment that can enjoy a drink and watch the game without being disruptive
the only way is a hard line, your out of the ground and if it continued when ejected in a cooling cell for the night simple
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| Quote ="snowie"that might help short term within the stadium but they will always get tanked up further outside in the pubs. but why should it spoil other peoples enjoyment that can enjoy a drink and watch the game without being disruptive
the only way is a hard line, your out of the ground and if it continued when ejected in a cooling cell for the night simple'"
Agree but would also ban drinking on terraces and if your drunk when you get to the game your not coming in. There is legislation already in place that can be used
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| One of the reasons is that people can't pace themselves. A long day on a coach and people start drinking at 8 or 9 am.
I don't see the point of being so drunk you don't enjoy and remember the game
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| Ferdy you are spot on. The RFL should announce anyone who is hammered will not be allowed in. No drink should be allowed on the terraces. I know a lot are responsible and enjoy a drink but its getting out of hand. The stewards are a joke. One guy got about ten warnings before being kicked out. A hardline attitude needs to be taken or a serious incident will take place sooner rather than later
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| 8 of us went down. We had a few on the train, a few beforehand and a few in he ground. None of us felt the need to be abusive or spoil the game for other people despite the beer.
Knobheads are s, drink or no drink but I agree drink does exacerbate the situation.
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| There were announcements on the external concourses from about 12 noon stating that spectators would not be allowed into the stadium if they were found to be intoxicated. Here in lies the next problem, automated turnstiles. As long as you are sober enough to get your ticket into that machine there is no problem. You are in the stadium where you are free to cause more havoc. WSNL need to check their procedures and have properly trained people outside the ground preventing these people form getting into the game.
Saying that, if that was in effect yesterday then there would have only been about 50k in the stadium lol
Also, I was lurking Wembley Way pre-game with a few Leeds fans, mixing with the unwashed and all that, and they had the honour of having a dead rat thrown at them. Suspect it was Warrington fans but can't confirm it. But why would they want to be throwing away a square meal like that.
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| Yep there were plenty who'd clearly had a few who behaved and just enjoyed themselves and agree 100% a fine fellow is and always will be a fine fellow!
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| Quote ="Ouzo"8 of us went down. We had a few on the train, a few beforehand and a few in he ground. None of us felt the need to be abusive or spoil the game for other people despite the beer.
Knobheads are s, drink or no drink but I agree drink does exacerbate the situation.'"
Agree knobs are knobs regardless but some get worse with a skin full. If you are too drunk then you can't come in to the ground. Simple.
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| Quote ="Road To Nowhere"
Also, I was lurking Wembley Way pre-game with a few Leeds fans, mixing with the unwashed and all that, and they had the honour of having a dead rat thrown at them. Suspect it was Warrington fans but can't confirm it. But why would they want to be throwing away a square meal like that.'"
yes it was
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| I don't know if I've been lucky or you've been unlucky. If such incidents are happening (which from what you say they clearly are) I agree that they need to be dealt with decisively. One of the great things about our game is the respect we have traditionally shown one another.
I take a group of about ten every year whoever gets there. I get 'earlybird' tickets which has the downside that we always seem to get in amongst the opposition fans when Wires get there. This has happened for both Leeds finals. We've had nothing but good natured banter even when, understandably, there has been great disappointment all around us.
I would be sickened and saddened if I saw the things reported here but the vast majority of the Leeds fans should feel proud of themselves. I hope we behave as well when we lose one (and we will).
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| Quote ="wires4ever"I don't know if I've been lucky or you've been unlucky. If such incidents are happening (which from what you say they clearly are) I agree that they need to be dealt with decisively. One of the great things about our game is the respect we have traditionally shown one another.
I take a group of about ten every year whoever gets there. I get 'earlybird' tickets which has the downside that we always seem to get in amongst the opposition fans when Wires get there. This has happened for both Leeds finals. We've had nothing but good natured banter even when, understandably, there has been great disappointment all around us.
I would be sickened and saddened if I saw the things reported here but the vast majority of the Leeds fans should feel proud of themselves. I hope we behave as well when we lose one (and we will).'"
Thanks for that. I think it is pot luck, but it is becoming a repetitive part of our final appearances that some people let the club down. I've got past where it makes me angry, just saddens me now. Some of these people should not be allowed near a rugby ground with the state they are in.
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| How many people heard the announcements outside Wembley that intoxicated people would not gain admission......then they serve alcohol to ANYBODY who is capable of opening their wallet and handing over cash.
There might be an argument for a "lower league day out" mentality as I understand that Warrington have problems with Hull and Salford BUT have even more problems when the lower teams come to town (even having a fire at Fax V Fev).
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"It is very easy to blame stewards because...
...what else are they there for ?
The only reason that they are part-time, casually employed staff is because thats a much, much, cheaper way to fulfil H&S requirements than to contract police officers, but they are totally infective against the sorts of issues we see highlighted after EVERY major final, Challenge Cup or Grand Final, it happens EVERY time and its only through a stroke of good luck and the fact that the mainstream press ignore the sport that we don't get spread across the front pages of the newspapers and BBC News.
As long as the RFL can keep the lid on it and as long as the media ignore it, then it will continue.'"
That's like blaming the police for crime, or the fire brigade for fires.
The stewards might not always deal with things as well as we'd like but the initial problem isn't caused by stewards, it's caused by mindless idiots embarrassing themselves, their clubs and the game.
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| Quote ="Andy R"That's like blaming the police for crime, or the fire brigade for fires.
The stewards might not always deal with things as well as we'd like but the initial problem isn't caused by stewards, it's caused by mindless idiots embarrassing themselves, their clubs and the game.'"
Yes but the "fix", the answer to the question "how do we solve it" is not to expect an aggressive alcoholic to give up making a nuisance of him/herself but to enforce a no-tolerance attitude within the licensed premises.
The only reason that grounds employ stewards is to comply with H&S regulations, no other reason, if they weren't required by law to provide stewarding then they wouldn't - but they are also required by law to regulate the behaviour of their patrons on licensed premises in the same way that every pub landlord is, and as we all know, it just doesn't happen.
Its a sad fact that inside a sporting venue you can get away with aggressive and disruptive behaviour that in any other licensed premises would have you refused service and/or evicted, or result in the premises losing their licence - can you imagine the local magistrates refusing an alcohol licence to Wembley or Old Trafford Stadiums ?
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Yes but the "fix", the answer to the question "how do we solve it" is not to expect an aggressive alcoholic to give up making a nuisance of him/herself but to enforce a no-tolerance attitude within the licensed premises.
The only reason that grounds employ stewards is to comply with H&S regulations, no other reason, if they weren't required by law to provide stewarding then they wouldn't - but they are also required by law to regulate the behaviour of their patrons on licensed premises in the same way that every pub landlord is, and as we all know, it just doesn't happen.
Its a sad fact that inside a sporting venue you can get away with aggressive and disruptive behaviour that in any other licensed premises would have you refused service and/or evicted, or result in the premises losing their licence - can you imagine the local magistrates refusing an alcohol licence to Wembley or Old Trafford Stadiums ?'"
I agree with what you saying but even if we had the best stewards in the world, or even the police inside the ground, it would still reflect badly on our club to see a number of people arrested or thrown out. The problem lies with irresponsible people. I will take my son again, mainly because he loves it as much as I do, but I will worry about who we'll be sat with just like I did this year.
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| On the stewards we had two blokes prowling the touch line. With "rapid response team" that made me laugh throughout the game. If I was going into a hostile ground I couldn't hand pick two people I would want less backing me up or sorting problem out!
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| Had the misfortune to have someone rather drunk sat right behind us yesterday in block 250 yesterday who spent most of the second half continually calling the referee names that I wouldn't repeat on here.
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| Quote ="FoxyRhino"Had the misfortune to have someone rather drunk sat right behind us yesterday in block 250 yesterday who spent most of the second half continually calling the referee names that I wouldn't be able to repeat on here because of that ing, , swear filter'"
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| The choices are simple.
If you want to avoid your day being marred by drunks, bigots, boors, buffoons, the great unwashed etc... then do not purchase a ticket for any final to be among your fans, particularly behind the sticks. Instead, purchase a more expensive ticket around halfway among the neutrals and preferably months in advance to secure the better seats... this is what I have done for years. The other alternative is to not attend at all.
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| Quote ="William Eve"The choices are simple.
If you want to avoid your day being marred by drunks, bigots, boors, buffoons, the great unwashed etc... then do not purchase a ticket for any final to be among your fans, particularly behind the sticks. Instead, purchase a more expensive ticket around halfway among the neutrals and preferably months in advance to secure the better seats... this is what I have done for years. The other alternative is to not attend at all.'"
And that shouldn't be the case
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| Quote ="William Eve"The choices are simple.
If you want to avoid your day being marred by drunks, bigots, boors, buffoons, the great unwashed etc... then do not purchase a ticket for any final to be among your fans, particularly behind the sticks. Instead, purchase a more expensive ticket around halfway among the neutrals and preferably months in advance to secure the better seats... this is what I have done for years. The other alternative is to not attend at all.'"
We have spoke before about this and I agree, sadly it didn't work out as well this year and we had some knobs sat amongst us in the RFL seats
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| christ, the price of beer in Wembley is enough not to drink
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| Quote ="William Eve"The choices are simple.
If you want to avoid your day being marred by drunks, bigots, boors, buffoons, the great unwashed etc... then do not purchase a ticket for any final to be among your fans, particularly behind the sticks. Instead, purchase a more expensive ticket around halfway among the neutrals and preferably months in advance to secure the better seats... this is what I have done for years. The other alternative is to not attend at all.'"
If people are moronic enough to pay £31 to sit in a stadium and drink and not watch the game, they would be moronic enough to pay £61 to do the same.
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