Isn't McShane's problem inconsistency more than anything? I thought he did a great job in the World Club Challenge, and certainly didn't seem like any kind of defensive liability against a monster pack. If anything I think he's tended to suffer because he's played sporadically and in differing roles - off the bench being quite different to starting.

I'd not be wailing if he leaves, and I haven't seen all of McShane's games where he might have played badly, but he has more potential than a lot of other players IMO.

Agree with this Brisbane...IMO McShane has massive potential...more than some on these boards reckon, but probably needs more game time to develop it.
His absence from the squad this week, and Lunt's inclusion doesn't look too promising in terms of this.

On another note, does anyone know how many 40-20s Mcshane has kicked? Despite his limited appearances I'd be surprised if anyone at the club's kicked more in the last couple of years.

The slight difference being that Rory Kettlewell was a young lad we took a punt on for a few quid in our academy. Didn't work out, never played first grade.

Danny Orr was your starting half back for a while. He didn't come from your academy either.

Good comparison this. Has every player ever to come through or go into Wigan's academy ended up in the first team? Or did you spend most of the 2000s shipping them off to Hull KR and buying older, antipodean random averagers? Just asking.

Great move by Leeds!

Don't know how many minutes he was on in the WCC but I think he only made a couple of runs and 6mtrs but made 18 tackles and one decent kick for touch. Adequate rather than great IMO which sort of sums him up. I have a suspicion that he is not so good on the training field - no proof just a feeling.

Brilliant.

Classic Juan.

I can't wait 'till you get your own margin metre

Looks like another GobSh1t3 Pie Eater who's Youth Setup is based in the NRL.

Well this has been said about McS by several people who should know. Although from a good source it is heresay none the less so I have truthfully qualified my remark by saying I have no proof. What is so odd about that?

The stats are as published. The attitude on the training field is just opinion of sources, so not 100%

Hitler only had one ball as well. Honest.

I think its the impression people get now when someone fails to be consistently picked by McDermott after last year with Burgess & Cross that it must be an attitude thing, if they don't apply themselves well in training or just want out. The story of Jay Pitts is another that adds to that, he came in after JJB got injured, did well in a few games then mysterily dropped for an out of form Clarkson, and then off to Hull.

I know you've copped a bit for saying this but I agree with you on this one, Mcshane has always struck me as being like a big kid ie if I dont get my own way Im not playing anymore. Maybe this attitude is costing him first team action becuase he's not putting the effort in training. Also Hood has come through a little quicker than he expected so he's not getting his own way with the 9 shirt.

I think it's very wrong of you to speculate on a player having an attitude problem, Especially when there's no evidence to support this.

I'm only speculating on what i've read and heard, why else then would you give a player the 9 shirt and a 4 year contract then not play/pick him. It does'nt make sense.

I speculate what you have heard and read is complete rubbish, Brian McDermott doesn't handle the contracts...

No, but he will have some say in who deserves a new contract and who doesn't surely. If he deems a player to be not good enough for whatever reason and tells Hethrington this, I doubt he would then go and offer that player a contract and vice versa.

It's not good to speculate if you know nothing of the situation, It doesn't do anybody involved any good.

You've just describe 90% of posts on the message board there!

That could explain why he's not getting much game time.

Might as well scrap the whole forum then.

I always thought that's what internet forums were for, allowing people to air their views and ideas

Nope, insults and trolling

All this speculation about McShane and whether he's out of favour but nobody seems to have mentioned that he did actually go off injured last week...

Only certain posters.

One of the few valid points so far.