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| Quote ="wolfinwidnes"sorry i didnt think of grammar i will edit it for grammar below
I think most people have been judging Kevin Sinfield on previous performances for England, however i think he has done exceedingly well in this tournament.I believe he has benifited due to the fact that he can take a step back and be able to be the organizing halfback, rather than having to do both the organization and the creativity.
With him having chase as a partner i think it gives him time to organize, get his troops where he needs them and this is the reason i think he is doing well this tournament. with him having such a creative and unpredictable partner in Rangi Chase, sinfield is able to sit back and do his usual game and the game that he is good at. compared to previous tournaments when he has partnered danny maguire yes he does this week in week out but with lack of creativity in the england team in general in seasons past, sinfield HAD to take the role of creative half back which is not his game, so to be fair i think he is enjoying playing the style he knows. On a further note well done on the MOM last night it was thoroughly deserved.
is that any better'"
Not really, you need to work on the correct use of capitals & sentence structure.
Try reading it out loud & you may see what I mean.
Unless you're a reincarnation of the American novelist William Faulkner.
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| didnt know these forums was an english written test jeez
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| Quote ="lothlorian"The one thing we have seen from Sinfield is this flat pass that has had a big red cross on it time and time again. It hasnt been a one off, its been in each of the games so far. He is not an international standoff. He has a great kicking game and is a leader on the field but i would prefer to drop Heighington ( not been impressed) put Sinfield at 13 and start Widdop. We should be building for the future and we have a superstar youngster who ripped up the NRL having to make way. Sinfield has his qualities but he shouldnt be our starting 6.'"
If you want to apply the "building for the future" argument....shouldn't the Australians be dropping Darren Lockyer on Saturday...
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| Quote ="Old Feller"
PS shouldn't the thread title read "Kevin Sinfield Deprecation Society"?'"
Perhaps. It could easily be called "Kevin Sinfield Deprecation Society" but it isn't.
It's "depreciation" as in the antithesis of 'appreciation', both of which terms can relate either to change in value over a period of time or, as in this case, to increasing (bigging up) or lowering (doing down) esteem respectively.
It all seems very compliciated but I hope you apprecate the subtle differentation.
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| Quote ="otleyrhino"If you want to apply the "building for the future" argument....shouldn't the Australians be dropping Darren Lockyer on Saturday...
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you seriously comparing Sinfield to potentially the greatest player of our generation. Lockyer has the creativity and the accuracy in his passing to tear teams apart. Sinfield doesnt. We should be picking the best player in each position. Lockyer is still that, Sinfield isnt. I believe Sinfield should play 13 that is all and im at a loss how a player who is a natural 6, one of the form stand offs in a superior competition is left to warm the bench to play a 31 make shift stand off.
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| Quote ="lothlorian"you seriously comparing Sinfield to potentially the greatest player of our generation. Lockyer has the creativity and the accuracy in his passing to tear teams apart. Sinfield doesnt. We should be picking the best player in each position. Lockyer is still that, Sinfield isnt. I believe Sinfield should play 13 that is all and im at a loss how a player who is a natural 6, one of the form stand offs in a superior competition is left to warm the bench to play a 31 make shift stand off.'"
Are you seriously suggesting that OtleyRhino's post compares Sinfield to Lockyer? It does nothing of the sort.
It compares a like for like [isituation[/i, not players.
If anything, given that this is Lockyer's last game, and Sinfield has some years still to come, Otley's argument is even more valid.
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| big defensive effort (25 tackles) Tee Hee Hee, Lockers routinely puts in 40+ a game and has his hands in many points, Kev has to be the most overated RL player in the game, would rather see Peter Lupton in his place3
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| Quote ="lothlorian"you seriously comparing Sinfield to potentially the greatest player of our generation. Lockyer has the creativity and the accuracy in his passing to tear teams apart. Sinfield doesnt. We should be picking the best player in each position. Lockyer is still that, Sinfield isnt. I believe Sinfield should play 13 that is all and im at a loss how a player who is a natural 6, one of the form stand offs in a superior competition is left to warm the bench to play a 31 make shift stand off.'"
How many NRL games have you watched where Widdop has been "one of the form stand offs in a superior competition"?
At the end of the day, Widdop is not as experienced at Sinfield and Sinfield has a much better Organisational part to his Game.
I would have a mixture of Sinfield, McGuire and Widdop in the Halves and drop Chase as he hasn't set off any fireworks for me in this 4 Nations.
1. Tomkins
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3. Reed
4. Yeaman
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8. Graham
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"big defensive effort (25 tackles) Tee Hee Hee, Lockers routinely puts in 40+ a game and has his hands in many points, Kev has to be the most overated RL player in the game, would rather see Peter Lupton in his place3'"
You sir, are a complete buffoon, and the total 'red and white tinted' justification for this thread.
Yes, your precious Lockers is a bit of a workhorse but even the briefest scan of comparative stats will tell you that Sinfield has 'his hand in' at least three times as many assists.
As for having his 'hands in many points', I reckon Sinfield's scored more in his last 3 games than O'Loughlin did last season.
Just remind me how close O'Loughlin is to Sinfield's career record of almost 3000 points.
In almost every aspect of the game (other than perhaps his tackling), 'Lockers' simply isn't fit to tie 'Sinny's' bootlaces.
Oh, and if you insist on a signature that accuses some of your own fans of being 'Nobs' you need to take a long hard look at yourself first. (No pun intended)
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| Quote ="Chief Stinkwort"You sir, are a complete buffoon, '"
He knows he is. Don't bite.
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yep he got a big bite
sinny looked and played well the kiwis lost control and tried to do Rangi and forgot to win the game
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| Quote ="Chief Stinkwort"Are you seriously suggesting that OtleyRhino's post compares Sinfield to Lockyer? It does nothing of the sort.
It compares a like for like [isituation[/i, not players.
If anything, given that this is Lockyer's last game, and Sinfield has some years still to come, Otley's argument is even more valid.'"
What 'chief' says...But i did do rolly eyes.
If you look closely though Sinfield has in fact created the majority of Englands tries...
I cant imagine many Super League coaches would not want Sir Kevin in their side..Hopefully Brian MacDermotts master stroke of moving him to 6 has infact extended his career so he can continue haunting these 'better' players at other clubs. The mans record speaks for itself.
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| Quote ="BigJake"fishing rod
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yep he got a big bite
sinny looked and played well the kiwis lost control and tried to do Rangi and forgot to win the game'"
and a lovely bite it was, to be fair i'm not a fan of Kev and never have been, but he did put on a decent show on Saturday
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| Quote ="BigJake"fishing rod
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sinny looked and played well the kiwis lost control and tried to do Rangi and forgot to win the game'"
yep!
I've had a cr@p day at work and reserve the right to bite.
In fact I would go as far as to say I'm in a chomping mood
I'll be much better once I've taken my medication.
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"and a lovely bite it was, to be fair i'm not a fan of Kev and never have been, but he did put on a decent show on Saturday'"
If only you could have so much fun on the Wigan board eh? Just like an Arab coming to London to booze, snort white powder and spend time with "escorts". McField should charge for entry.
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| Quote ="DHM"If only you could have so much fun on the Wigan board eh? Just like an Arab coming to London to booze, snort white powder and spend time with "escorts". McField should charge for entry.
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The Wigan board used to be good sport, until they allowed that little chap Wigan Dave anywhere near the ban button
However, for those who claim that Sinny doesn't have a passing game;
He has the trademark Leeds forward pass
The traditional flat pass with big red cross
and the bulleted one which cuts out 2 defenders and sets up a try
Part of the enjoyment here at Headingley comes from not knowing what is coming...
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"The Wigan board used to be good sport, then they won something and all their fans reverted to being the most arrogant d!ckheads on the planet again'"
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| Quote ="DHM"If only you could have so much fun on the Wigan board eh? Just like an Arab coming to London to booze, snort white powder and spend time with "escorts". McField should charge for entry.
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it's getting more like the wire board every day, people getting banned for having a bit of fun, still not allowed in there after my youtube creation of a Roy Orbison song and Lee Briers crying after their 2010 play off loss
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| Quote ="lothlorian"The one thing we have seen from Sinfield is this flat pass that has had a big red cross on it time and time again. It hasnt been a one off, its been in each of the games so far. He is not an international standoff. He has a great kicking game and is a leader on the field but i would prefer to drop Heighington ( not been impressed) put Sinfield at 13 and start Widdop. We should be building for the future and we have a superstar youngster who ripped up the NRL having to make way. Sinfield has his qualities but he shouldnt be our starting 6.'" He doesn't pick the team or the position he plays so blaming him for that is ridiculous.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"The Wigan board used to be good sport, until they allowed that little chap Wigan Dave anywhere near the ban button
However, for those who claim that Sinny doesn't have a passing game;
He has the trademark Leeds forward pass
The traditional flat pass with big red cross
and the bulleted one which cuts out 2 defenders and sets up a try
Part of the enjoyment here at Headingley comes from not knowing what is coming...'"
Genius - if your JJB you simply go Oh no not again - crunch!!
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| Quote ="lothlorian"you seriously comparing Sinfield to potentially the greatest player of our generation. Lockyer has the creativity and the accuracy in his passing to tear teams apart. Sinfield doesnt. We should be picking the best player in each position. Lockyer is still that, Sinfield isnt. I believe Sinfield should play 13 that is all and im at a loss how a player who is a natural 6, one of the form stand offs in a superior competition is left to warm the bench to play a 31 make shift stand off.'"
Because picking a team involves more than just picking the best 17 players
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Genius - if your JJB you simply go Oh no not again - crunch!!'"
You still banging that drum
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| Kev has had a good tournament and played well, there has been a fair bit of criticism of him from other teams, but it's the nothing new, I think he is very underrated by most teams. Not saying he is the best so about but the team seems to be playing well with him in the team, and ultimately this is what is important.
For me not been that impressed with heighton. Not seem much of him in the NRL, but not been massively impressed
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Kev has had a good tournament and played well, there has been a fair bit of criticism of him from other teams, but it's the nothing new, I think he is very underrated by most teams. Not saying he is the best so about but the team seems to be playing well with him in the team, and ultimately this is what is important.
For me not been that impressed with heighton. Not seem much of him in the NRL, but not been massively impressed'"
I thought he would have been better tbh - he does look better in the NRL but then this is a higher standard so maybe he has been found out and the myth that only supermen can get a game in the NRL is just that a myth.
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