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| The tactics SHOULD be simple.
You play your best players in their best position. I know centre could be a problem but with Delaney, Hardaker and Smith we have enough cover. Mags and Burrow in the halves thanks.
Team picked you tell them that if they have any ambition of winning something this season then this is it (if they do win the CC then in the playoffs he can ignore this statement and say 'look, you won the CC against the odds, you can win the GF too).
Then let JP and Sinny go round the players as needed.
At the end of the day most of this team have been to finals and won them. There is nothing spectacular that Brain can do at this point for two reasons;
1; He hasn't got the (or perhaps any) personality to give an effective battle cry
2;Clearly whatever motivational speeches he has been using have not been effective.
Tell them the team then let them get on with it.
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| Unless he's mastered time travel and can go back and get the 2009 versions of the Leeds squad, he's stuffed no matter what he does.
Too many big players in terminal decline for tactics to make one iota of difference.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Unless he's mastered time travel and can go back and get the 2009 versions of the Leeds squad, he's stuffed no matter what he does.
Too many big players in terminal decline for tactics to make one iota of difference.'"
So we may as well get rid of Brain then. Good call.
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| Quote ="Fallon"So we may as well get rid of Brain then. Good call.'"
Aye, changing the coach will make the likes of Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey etc much better players overnight.
Much better to keep an underperforming playing squad and just change the bloke at the top - it's a structure that served Leeds so well during the 80s and 90s.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Aye, changing the coach will make the likes of Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey etc much better players overnight.
Much better to keep an underperforming playing squad and just change the bloke at the top - it's a structure that served Leeds so well during the 80s and 90s.'"
In fairness Bailey is in far better form at the moment than he has been in ages, so I wouldn't include him on the "terminal decline" register just yet. Some of the other big players in the squad are also a little young to write off just yet.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"In fairness Bailey is in far better form at the moment than he has been in ages'"
Hardly a ringing endorsement, given his usual mid-contract lull...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Aye, changing the coach will make the likes of Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey etc much better players overnight.
Much better to keep an underperforming playing squad and just change the bloke at the top - it's a structure that served Leeds so well during the 80s and 90s.'"
Im intrigued ....
Peacock - Had a very bad injury that saw him miss pre season and join a team that was already on the back foot. He hasn't been as consitent but Im not sure what you want from a 30+ player who was out with such a bad injury.
Kylie - Ive notcied over the last few weeks more people having a pop at him. Two or three years ago when he was only playing in short stints but knocking people over they made a song up about him. For me he hasn't changed what he does. He's always played in short stints and as he gets older its only natural these stints will get shorter.
Bailey - Prob having his best season for a number of years. No problem with him at all.
Why have you only called out props?
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| Quote ="Fallon"Im intrigued ....
Peacock - Had a very bad injury that saw him miss pre season and join a team that was already on the back foot. He hasn't been as consitent but Im not sure what you want from a 30+ player who was out with such a bad injury.
Kylie - Ive notcied over the last few weeks more people having a pop at him. Two or three years ago when he was only playing in short stints but knocking people over they made a song up about him. For me he hasn't changed what he does. He's always played in short stints and as he gets older its only natural these stints will get shorter.
Bailey - Prob having his best season for a number of years. No problem with him at all.
Why have you only called out props?'"
Because I couldn't be bothered typing out a full list of every underperforming Leeds player in 2011, and it's a position where I believe the decline in performances has bitten hardest.
Peacock's still getting through a ton of work, but it's now quantity over quality.
Leuluai's stints (or certainly the part of them where he's effective) have now got so short he's rivalling Feka in the shortest useful time on the field stakes.
Bailey has (unsurprisingly) picked up his form as his contract gets nearer to the end - something he's got previous for doing before lapsing back into the comfort zone. If he spent more time concentrating on being effective with and without the ball rather than being a pantomime villain, there's an international prop in there somewhere.
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| Given that GH has already revealed in the YEP that Bailey was "already" signed up for 2012 it seems his upturn in form this year deserves more credit rather than just the "he's playing for a new deal" it's been credited to.
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| Best tactic is to tell them that if they win he'll resign!
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| I take it Nantwich and his fellow naysayers shall be staying at home on Saturday?
Out of interest. How old is Nantwich exile do you think?
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| Quote ="loinertillidie"I take it Nantwich and his fellow naysayers shall be staying at home on Saturday?
Out of interest. How old is Nantwich exile do you think?'"
Why is his age relevant?
In terms of the naysayers staying at home I think its become pretty clear that many many Leeds fans have been reluctant to buy tickets, at least from Leeds (suspect a lot have them from the RFL direct). Perhaps the real question is why?
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| I can't understand the pessimism from Leeds, some of the squads on here have some top players that could well beat Wigan on their day. I don't think that this match is as clear cut as it being made out by the media.
Some would think that Wigan are being set up for a massive fall (again)
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| Quote ="loinertillidie"I take it Nantwich and his fellow naysayers shall be staying at home on Saturday?
Out of interest. How old is Nantwich exile do you think?'"
Seems I have a stalker
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Seems I have a stalker
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The tatty old raincoat is a bit of a clue!....
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Seems I have a stalker
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Not quite. Having exhausted all other possible reasons for your uninterrupted torrent of utter bilge water and sewage works effluent that you spout forth under the guise of opinion and calculated consideration. I have come to the conclusion that you are either 1. Ten years old. Or two. You are Richie Ramrod in disguise.
I asked for opinion on your age to help narrow it down.
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| Quote ="loinertillidie"Not quite. Having exhausted all other possible reasons for your uninterrupted torrent of utter bilge water and sewage works effluent that you spout forth under the guise of opinion and calculated consideration. I have come to the conclusion that you are either 1. Ten years old. Or two. You are Richie Ramrod in disguise.
I asked for opinion on your age to help narrow it down.'"
Don't hold back now, let us know what you really think.
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| Quote ="loinertillidie"Not quite. Having exhausted all other possible reasons for your uninterrupted torrent of utter bilge water and sewage works effluent that you spout forth under the guise of opinion and calculated consideration. I have come to the conclusion that you are either 1. Ten years old. Or two. You are Richie Ramrod in disguise.
I asked for opinion on your age to help narrow it down.'"
Did you get a ten year old to help you write this ?
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| How come Ramrod never comes on here anymore anyway? I hear he's quit his job at Apple now, so you'd think he'd have more time on his hands.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Did you get a ten year old to help you write this ?'"
A retort typical of your usual well balanced and considered style.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"How come Ramrod never comes on here anymore anyway? I hear he's quit his job at Apple now, so you'd think he'd have more time on his hands.'"
I suspect tinyrod still lurks and maybe even posts under a new guise. I've no idea who though
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| Quote ="El Diablo"How come Ramrod never comes on here anymore anyway? I hear he's quit his job at Apple now, so you'd think he'd have more time on his hands.'"
He was actually Gadaffi in disguise - maybe he has a few more pressing local difficulties
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| Quote ="ChrisPie2"I can't understand the pessimism from Leeds, some of the squads on here have some top players that could well beat Wigan on their day. I don't think that this match is as clear cut as it being made out by the media.
'" You'd understand it if you'd watched us all year. As a Wigan fan if you've only seen us against your lads they were not representative of our level of performances this year. An optimist would hope we reproduce that level of performance. A realist would think it unlikely.
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| Quote ="G1"You'd understand it if you'd watched us all year. As a Wigan fan if you've only seen us against your lads they were not representative of our level of performances this year. An optimist would hope we reproduce that level of performance. A realist would think it unlikely.'"
The other side to that is Wigan didn't play that well in either game - Leeds would struggle to play better - unlikely Wigan will play worse tbh.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"The other side to that is Wigan didn't play that well in either game - Leeds would struggle to play better - unlikely Wigan will play worse tbh.'"
Perhaps, and I accept im clutching at straws here, they will freeze. Wembley can do funny things to a player. Remeber Jonathan Davies...
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