well itmust be the first time ever there has been trouble in the North stand,many of us moved from the south stand because it was getting bit loud and scary,so now the piltdown people have found another place to cause trouble

Nothing like tarring everyone with the same brush. Unfortunately many teams in the Super League have 'troublesome' fans. Both the Hull clubs, Salford and Warrington are amongst the worst, that I would agree with, however Leeds United (the football team I support) aren't exactly the best behaved supporters in the land so not sure why you've singled people from Hull out?

I've also seen plenty of 'interbred bottom feeders' while living in Leeds, far more than I've seen in Hull, yet I wouldn't be dim enough nor ignorant enough to suggest everyone in Leeds are the same.

By all accounts the majority of the drinking happens outside the ground, which is a shame because at least if the revenue of the alcohol went to the clubs it would go someway to refunding the policing costs caused by morons who can't decide when enough is enough.

Ribbit!

I often wonder what sort of personality you'd need to wake up one sunny morning and think, "Hmmm, today seems like a great day to travel to a different city, spend a lot of money over seven hours in a pub until I don't know my own name, pay £28 to go to a rugby match, cause a fight, get arrested and spend the night in a police cell, hey and why don't I take the kids with me too"

Its learned behaviour and they are passing on the skills to the next generation.

About eight years ago I had the misfortune to attend a Pies v Hull FC game at the JJB. A group of Hull FC "supporters" had decided that this game would be an ideal prelude to a stag weekend in Blackpool, many of thos attending were also in fancy dress. They were tanked up and at one point managed to get onto the pitch and verbally abuse Hull & Wigan players.

A few of us managed to photograph these idiots and the pics were forwarded to the Hull club. The Humberside Sports Policing unit also got involved and the result was a number of "supporters" were banned from the KC. One even had his season pass taken from him while drinking in a KC bar.

Banning the culprits was one thing, enforcing it was an entirely different other. It also never prevented these idiots from travelling to away games and continuing their "fun". It is the home club's duty to police their ground and ensure the safety and comfort of all spectators and unless and until a system of sharing details of such idiot "fans" is introduced, there's little to prevent recurrances. Eight years ago we didn't have ASBOs, possibly these incidents could now be covered, preventing the subjects of an ASBO from attending RL games in the future?

Would you for £6 an hour?

Terrible isn't it. I have no idea at all how/why anybody could think that would be a good day.

Imagine (if you dare!) what the world will be like when these people's kid have kids of their own!

Before posting rubbish on here, i think you need to find out what actually happened!!!

The fancy dress group was not even in the stadium, one of our group was refused entry to the game because he was deemed to be 'drunk', so they decided to refuse the rest of our group entry!

The only crime we commited was having fun in our fancy dress for someones birthday and it all got blown out of proportion, we was back at the train station for 7pm so dont tar us with the trouble in the North Stand?!

For clarity, none of the people I referred to in my earlier post were in fancy dress. Well I say they weren't in fancy dress, I think what they were wearing passes as Fashion in East Yorkshire these days...

To break your question down a bit, "would I perform a job that I had been employed to do at a rate I had agreed to accept", yes I would, in fact I pretty much did their job for them at some points, despite having my kids with me.

There are a couple of issues here IMO. The club are responsible for employing people to perform stewarding of the stadium on match day and has a responsibility to their customers to ensure that they can attend the game in a safe environment. This includes ensuring that the stewards are capable of performing the role they are employed to do. The second issue is with the stewards, and that issue is to ensure that they are organised in such a way as to be able to control crowd safety, and deal with any issues as they arise, rather than ignore them and hope that the fans will deal with the situation.

In reality though the stewards there were too busy revising their Chaucer.



What a 6 foot, skinny, spotty looking dude could have realistically done is a fairer question to ask.

Situations like this always come done to numbers and the stewards had no chance, the resources weren't there. Once the police arrived on scene it got handled, eventually.

You seem to have got involved at some stage, I had to, which shows the situation was out of control. That is unacceptable.

If you where a member of the group I saw being refused entry then at the very least some of you came very close if not actually causing a breach of the peace.

Some of you appeared to be completely drunk and one of your group, a rather rotund women, dressed as some sort of fairy I think, was using extremely abusive language and threatening behaviour towards either a police woman or female steward. Other members of your group were having to be restrained by sheer weight of numbers of the police and stewards, I have no doubt that if there had been less police and stewards then the incident would have been an awful lot more serious.

Two of you appeared to be about to be arrested, one dressed as Fred Flintstone I think one of you may have been in hand cuffs, but I'm not sure as we went into the ground.

If this was your group then I felt embarrassed to be wearing a Hull KR shirt due to your friends behaviour. If this is your idea of a fun day out then I sincerely hope you find other ways of enjoying your leisure time. May I suggest free climbing on Vaseline smeared rock faces.

If it wasn't your group then I apologise.

I suppose there could have been another drunk group of supporters dressed as a rotund fairy, Fred Flintstone and Superman ?

Just thought I'd better put it in as a caveat, but no, highly unlikely.

The rotund bit wasn't part of the costume but a permanent fixture.

I hope at least some of them enjoyed a night in the dungeon at Bridewell.

"We are more ashamed of them than you, just recently our away support has been getting tarred by these so called fans. Witnessed them at Wire, Wigan, Salford and Cas so I won't hold my breath that they all get banned on the back of tonight. "

Dum Dum i think you will find hardly none of us were at wigan or salford and only a few of us went to cas! So i do not know what you have apparently witnessed. Most of us go the majority of away games but not once have we caused trouble at any of these games that you have mentioned.

Be fair, out of 3,000,000 away fans you're bound to get one or two troublemakers

It was a generalisation of troublesome fans, "they" being any that have caused trouble at away games. If you weren't in the ground at Leeds then you weren't the ones fighting at around 70mins and as such your conscience can be clear on that one, doesn't detract from the 'trouble' you did cause at this game and the pubs outside.

PS. Did you cause trouble at Wire?

RL are going down the route of having banning orders like in football. I think that means that those given the orders are banned from all grounds. As you say at the moment many of those banned are free to go to away grounds.

At the moment there is only one individual with a RL banning order.

Difficult to police if you have general standing areas and pay-on-the-gate ?

Its only going to work if the culprit is put off by any legal sanctions if he/she is found inside a ground, if they are not recognised and don't really care anyway then they can freely attend anywhere.

I don't know the sanctions of the RL banning order but you're right. As for recognising them that's another issue too.

The one chap who is the only one so far with a RL banning order has his details and photo distributed around all the different police divisions so he should be quite easily identified by the fuzz on duty. I expect his mug shot is at all the RL clubs too to pass on to stewards.

Judging by the antics yesterday I'd say Fred Flintstone and Superman should be quite easy to identify too

If people were to be put on some sort of watch list then although difficult to stop them attending at least if they did attend and got caught causing trouble again the sanctions taken against them could be more far reaching than merely being ejected from the ground and given a caution.

The theory that an individual person can be picked out of a crowd of 15000 other people by a turnstile operator or student in a hi-viz stewards jacket simply by showing them a photo at some random point in the past is one that always amuses me.

But I suppose it makes the games administrators feel that they've done something.

And it keeps a lawyer or two in business too...

I know it's a serious issue and everything, but the mental image of all this kicking off is bloody hilarious.