the ref did a fine job today, Leeds have been exploiting the " flat pass " and sledging for years. Today they where not allowed to

Leeds were poor today and would have lost no matter who the referee was. However, I think Alibert is clearly out of his depth at this level, the fact that he had to be corrected by the linesman over the scrum from the kick off was embarassing.

The penalty against Cross was a line decision and could have gone either way.

At the end of the day haliburt did not influence Leeds shocking completion rate or missed tackles, that is down to the players, i agree KR did get the luck today that we needed but like previous threads have stated you will see Rhinos get beat on few occassions having scored 28 POINTS, time to stop blaming the refs and look at the problem deeper within the club, injuries for one. Anyway good luck for the rest of the season.

The best time to discuss inept officicials is after a convincing win or a trophy win because you always attract the usual dross that popcorn and the picture of the grapes posted.
Remember last year when Child was subject of a thread for being abysmal? the Wakey lot responded the same way as the HKR fans have yet after the Cas game and the Rhinos 2nd half all of a sudden they agree!
The inconsistency has to fall firmly at Cummings' door he just isn't up to getting officials to the required standard now they'll make mistakes as do the players ,coaches and fans etc etc but they are'nt/have'nt learnt from them and are making some shocking calls aided by equally inept touch judges.
Of course until it happens to other teams their fans will always come back with the predictable sour grapes etc etc and keith will have another thread to "burp his worm" over but the problem is definately Cummings imo.
P.s This in no way is to blame refs for our own poor efforts in certain games this year when we've deserved to lose nor is it an attempt to take the focus away from how pants we've been.

The knock on/drop out callw as one of the worst decisions ever seen in Super League

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FACT

Whichever way you look at it 2 KR tries came from blatant forward passes and I am not talking flat passes here but at least 2 to 3 yards forward. The knock on outside the KR line that resulted in a drop out and the scrum that was or wasn`t a KR feed were all bad mistakes by the ref whichever way the KR loyalists to Halibut want to argue it.
KR played well much better than they have been playing considering their league position it woud seem.
But lets face it our defence was cut open far too often our attacking options did not exist and our missed tackles were appaling.
Senior had a very poor game all round yet putting Watkins to LC is hardly the best option considering his defence as shown when they scored their try.
Maybe the Wigan came did take alot out of us it certainly took something out of Wigan.
To sack the coach now is not an option IMO
He needs to be given the season to prove himself with a fully fit squad even though we should with all respect beat HKR with the fit players in our squad.
Before we start playing flowing attacking rugby we should get our defence right first.
Rant over and yes I have covered about 3 topics in one rant but who cares it`s Sunday and it`s sunny.

We didn't get the rub of the green yesterday, but we've had it a fair few times in the past. Neither of those 2 passes last night were anything like as forward as Watkins' to Hardaker against Saints. Plus they're probably still evening it up after Tansey-gate at Millenium Magic!

Just to agree with frosties re the leeds performances this year !! absolute pants, but no side can play a competative match losing the pebnalty count 12-3, as BMD said no problem with the penalties given, but this is a two way street and what did Leed shave to do to get a penalty, the kr player would need to shoot a player first, and even the most biased kr fans should acknowledge that the penalty count was way too one sided for it to be taklen seriously as a fair performance from the freog.

But I have watchd that game today on sky and although we had some decisions against us for forward passes, at least the try's two & three for kr (Murrell. welham) came from forward passes which were not even marginal and very clear, yes kr had the luck and mainly the rub on saturday, but lets get real with these decisions, this is not sour grapes but fact.

Insults again. Hmm. Recurring theme, this.



Was it as bad as the "Not standing square" penalty against Tommy last week which effectively handed you a draw, especially as he couldn't have stood more square if he'd used a protractor?

Not as bad as the Red Sh#*house Lima should of seen for his effort on Clarkson which would of killed the game off.

Fecking hell how stupid are some people.
We know Leeds we're pish poor.
We know KR played well.
We know who ever the ref was Leeds would still have lost and deservedly so.
But to some people's obvious astonishment we are actually discussing the referee's performance. Not Leeds', not KRs, the referee's





Not a lot wrong. You know nothing about the game. Fact.

ATEOTD we can all have a bit of a moan about Terry missing this and that but it wasnt Terry who was lobbing suicide passes, missing tackles with our new brand of "exiting" panic rugby that was all down to us. We cant build pressure for jack sjit. We are lucky if we actually get an attacking kick away, even rarer that said kick actually hits terra firma. We dont force repeat sets and we wont bend our backs on defence.

These are all fixable problems that with a slice of humble pie and a dollop of hard work we can get back to doing what we know we are capable of, smashing teams with defence, forcing them into errors, and scoring off the back of them. You know?, what other teams are doing to us.

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I think some of the decisions for both sides were baffeling at times.

As for the forward passes, one was very maginal I thought, the other was deffinately forward. However, I don't think they were 2-3 yards forward as someone has suggested! And lets face it, not trying to be bitchy or provoke an argument, but Leeds score their fair share off forward passes.

The penalty against Cross on Cockayne was a spot on decision. To me He looked like he had every intention of shoulder charging Cockayne before he caught the ball, probably a little frustration creeping in on Cross' part.

Overall, we got the rub of the green, it happens. The overall reffing displays have to be looked at imo, not just Mr Alibert. It's been far too inconsistant!

For my last point, I would just like to thank the fans that travelled, nice turn out compared to most!

Agree in general the ref standard across the board are poor and vey inconsistent. not just Hallibut.

Regarding forward passes with calm thought yes we do and have had out fair share of forward passes but that sort of logical thinking usually goes out of the window when you are watching your team play

The refs are not helped by some very poor linesmen.

True, but are the linesmen professional nowadays? not sure.

There will always be human error involved but there are far too many inconsistent decisions at the moment

No your spot on there and I think Cummins knows that and has told the Leeds match official to look out for them, and rightly so. We we're taking the pish a bit. But the annoying thing is when we get 1 or 2 chalked off and then the opposition get 1 or 2 tries that are not pulled up.

Yes the annoying thing is the aqbove. yes we have been guilty of forward passes, the hardacker try was a bit embarrasing. Its the inconsistent performance within the match

The annoying element is not the forward pass, but the complete lack of consistency with what constitutes "holding down".

A number of times both sides came up with blatant "flops" after the tackle had been completed, only for Alibert to tell the tacklers to "moooove queeker". Exactly the same thing a couple of minutes later would get penalised, then it would be back to ignoring it for ten minutes.

As for not knowing the rule on kick-offs going into touch - that's simply an embarrassment.

Alibert is a poor ref. Some decisions are seen as being wrong when they are just contensious. Many of Aliberts are just wrong.

I agree with Andy Gilder it's the lack of consistency with referee's decisions that is really frustrating. After seeing the McShane incident I'd like clarification in what is classed as 'being dragged into touch'.

That is one area where there is massive inconsistency, also the two feet level with the ref appears to be a bit hit and miss and penalised sometimes and not others.

Officials don't win or equally lose games, the players do that. Neither are officials deliberately biased however, they can (like any human) still be susceptible to influence, mostly sub-consciously, by the crowd. I think this is, and continues to be, Alibert's biggest problem and all credit to the Hull KR crowd, they played their part really well.

I often watch a game live and, with my Amber and Blue tinted glasses, come away thinking that we were hard done by, but when you watch the game back on TV 90% of the time officials get things correct and most mistakes they make are just that, mistakes. A classic example was Hardakers try, where Silverwood was unsighted and the TJ clearly just didn't see it. Because it was so comical is exactly the reason why it is so easy to judge as a mistake.

However, I did find that watching Alibert on Friday I was thinking how poor he was and the majority of those 50/50 calls went Hull KR's way. Even the Sky muppets commented on his poor game. The Cross tackle and McShane 'in touch' tackle where also good examples of a crowd sub-consciously influencing an officials decision. Cross's tackle was not blatantly early and, in fact on the reply, looked to be perfectly timed. Once Cockayne's fingers touch the ball he is fair game. Had Cross pulled that off at Headingley and the South Stand erupted into cheers at such a well timed tackle, then would Alibert have blown? At New Craven Park the crowd of course did the opposite and that is what Alibert (and all ref's) hear and it is hard to block out that influence. Same for McShane, he was dragged (albeit a very short distance) IMO and at Headingley, that gets penalised.

As for the forward passes, the officials missed at least two and arguably three in Hull KR try moves, but for me that is just errors and it just turned out we were on the wrong end of the decision... this week! Also, if you don't put yourself in a position defensively where the final pass, forward or not, is leading to a potential try being scored, then they don't score irrespective. I also think Sinfield was pinged for a ball steal that clearly wasn't and Ablett had the ball knocked out of his hands.

Alibert was poor, we got the worst of an inconsistent performance but the team control how they deal with and react to it!