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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"That is the interesting bit! It sounds like Dobson might have signed some sort of compromise agreement, which of course are common place in the UK when people 'leave' employers (usually by mutual agreement) and can restrict you going to work for a competing company for a set length of time... however, they normally give you a compromise payment of some kind to make up for this!!!
Normally, if they restrict you working for a competitor they cover people's full salary for that period, so if six months, you get a payment of at least this amount of money and often a little more.
Now, they must have done this because one assumes that Dobson would not take too kindly to not being paid his basic salary or he would have told them to bog-off. So, if we assume that Hull KR don't have much room on their cap, if any, then I think they have got themselves into a right pickle. I suspect the salary cap rules will not cover compromise payments, because you would normally just be paying someone off to get rid of them but HKR are trying to get around various rules here. If a compromise payment was made and it takes them over the cap 'in theory' then I think the RFL board will have no choice but to turn down Hull KR re-registering Dobson at HKR as if they they would be complicit in HRK breaking 'the spirit' of the salary cap.
The only way they could have done this is if this 'payment' does not take them over the cap for the year, which it might not have done given they were signing Mason anyway. If it does, they and Dobson are screwed. They must have worked this out before doing this surely?
Of course, the RFL board could still refuse to allow Dobson to re-register anyway as HKR are also breaking the spirit of the quota system by trying to play Mason before he officially able to register off the quota... actually, I think HKR and Dobson are screwed!!!! If I was a club CEO or chairman I would be lobbying the RFL to turn-down Dobson's re-registration...
What a mess!'"
So many ASS-umptions in one post.
Well done.
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| Maybe Dobson or Mason will play for Radlinski wages...
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| If Mason has entered the country on an Australian passport and then, when he gets a Tongan passport, wants the right to work in the UK as a Tongan (to avoid the Salary cap), won't he have to leave the country and re-apply for the right to work in the UK? And then wait for approval to re-enter? If so then HKR risk not having Mason again for an extended period wil the UKBA sorts out the paperwork.
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| What a tangled web...but to be honest who REALLY cares ? The lacklustre RL will not enforce their own rules so why bother wasting so much time on discussing it.
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| Maybe Dobson is being paid the playing rate of salary whilst not playing, this would be within the calculation that Hull KR made at the beginning of the season and more than Dobson was "entitled to" everyone wins
I know the RFL have allowed this but for me this should be cheating the quota, Hull KR have already used their maximum number of foreign players, when Willie Mason the Australian plays that will be the maximum number+1. You should be allowed so many foreigners per year, not per game
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"On the FC Forum (as you'd expect!) they're saying they've found a clause which stops him being re-registered in the same season.
Which would be funny to say the least.'"
The only clause them lot probably think they have found is santa, thats because most of them still believe he is real.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile" why bother wasting so much time on discussing it.'"
Earlier, because I was bored on a train, now because I only need my ears to listen to radio Leeds online, so my eyes and hands have nothing better to do....
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| Quote ="G1"The drama I alluded to, which was fully explained by IA, is any potential payment to Dobson in return for him agreeing to be deregistered and not thereafter sign for another team.
I very much doubt Dobson will have forgone his contract salary. I am sure he will still be paid that whilst deregistered. I am sure that will count on the cap.
HKR will have, I am guessing, had to make an additional payment over and above his salary, in return for him agreeing not to move elsewhere, whilst deregistered. It is that additional payment, a payment not due under his contract, I was wondering about. '"
Even if such a payment now exists, where is the evidence that Hull KR are in salary cap difficulties because of it.
There's equally a chance that KR (like other clubs claim to do) leave some space under the cap to react to the unforseen circumstances thrown up during the season. The Dobson contract termination appears to be related to quota rather than cap. (Which raises the spectre of which quota player will eventually be removed should Mason fail to produce the 'islander' passport.)
Quote ="G1"There's no drama, we were discussing theoreticals. Is that OK?'"
Sure, knock yourself out.
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| Quote ="tvoc"
Sure, knock yourself out.'" Cheers boss.
Quote Even if such a payment now exists, where is the evidence that Hull KR are in salary cap difficulties because of it. '"
Lets rfemind ourselves of the question I posed that was being discussed shall we?
Quote I wonder how any payment to Dobson to get him to agree to de-register and not sign for anyone else might affect salary cap regs? Surely it must count?'"
As far as I am aware you do not need evidence to pose a question.
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| That's true but it appeared that IA (who you referred to) felt there was potentially a drama here. As Hull KR would be working closely with the RFL to ensure everything was/is done above board within the rules governing the 'live' salary cap I just couldn't see one developing.
Likewise in compliance with the 'quota' regulations such as they are.
Considering the RFL have stated:
[i"Hull KR have sought dispensation to be able to re-register Dobson later in the season, it has been indicated to them that it will be granted, subject to the usual regulations being met at the time. A number of operational rules allow for dispensation to be granted whilst others are absolute and non-discretionary. With the rules, where dispensation may be applied, each case is judged on its own merits. =#FF0000The rule is in place to prevent clubs from stockpiling overseas players and developing a carousel of player changes to their squads throughout a season." [/i
Perhaps it's time to move along although it's debateable whether the rule has worked in this case.
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| All Dobsons have dodgy knees anyway
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| Quote ="tvoc"Perhaps it's time to move along'"
Hey Gadaffi, this aint no dictatorship. If I want to engineer meaningless debate I shall bloomin well do so with or without your approval.
There's a well worn Brouhgton discussion awaiting your attention elsewhere.
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| Watkins' potential has never been in doubt as long as he continues to develope his all round game. I never particularly saw it as an either/or between them rather a potential future left wing partnership as Senior and Donald approached the twilight of their Leeds careers. One of Broughton/Watkins/Jones-Bishop could comfortably IMO have been entrusted with the number 2 shirt for 2010 on Donald's expected departure at the end of 2009.
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| Having seen the latest statement by the RFL that KR seem to have agreed a special agreement to re-register Dobson, despite going against the RFL's own rules - should fans of all clubs (obviously except Rovers) not be requesting their club and directly to the RFL that this should not be permitted. The RFL law states that the rule is there to stop clubs stock piling overseas players and then cherry picking who plays on a weekly basis, yet in affect this is what Hull KR are doing. Seems to me they are not bending rules but shattering them - they already took the mickey by getting special dispensation to sign Mason on a Tongan passport (Blocking clubs such as Huddersfield / Salford who had a genuine quota space). Surely registering Mason to the RFL while keeping Dobson's contract should mean Hull KR have exceeded quota regulations and should not have been allowed to go ahead. If they are allowed to get away with this our game will desend into a farce. Why dont Wigan terminate Fieldens contract - sign a prop - Ewan Dowes for example - using Fieldens space on the cap, then simply when Fielden is fit, re-register and send Dowes back. (Fielden then gets paid for painting the chairmans fence while out of the game each month)
Dobson seems to be a topic on most fans forums - each agreeing he's a player that they would like at their club (me included) - what I want to see is each fan and each club not wanting to see Dobson in a KR shirt again this season (as the rules) and our games so called governors enforce the rules they create.
Failing that I urge Hull FC sign Greg inglis because I heard he drank a pint of Guiness once. Apparently he only needs £20,000 a year as his wife as a £300,000 a year cleaning job.
e-mail the RFL, e-mail your clubs - this must be blocked.
Thank you
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| Quote ="gostrider"Having seen the latest statement by the RFL that KR seem to have agreed a special agreement to re-register Dobson, despite going against the RFL's own rules - should fans of all clubs (obviously except Rovers) not be requesting their club and directly to the RFL that this should not be permitted. The RFL law states that the rule is there to stop clubs stock piling overseas players and then cherry picking who plays on a weekly basis, yet in affect this is what Hull KR are doing. Seems to me they are not bending rules but shattering them - they already took the mickey by getting special dispensation to sign Mason on a Tongan passport (Blocking clubs such as Huddersfield / Salford who had a genuine quota space). Surely registering Mason to the RFL while keeping Dobson's contract should mean Hull KR have exceeded quota regulations and should not have been allowed to go ahead. If they are allowed to get away with this our game will desend into a farce. Why dont Wigan terminate Fieldens contract - sign a prop - Ewan Dowes for example - using Fieldens space on the cap, then simply when Fielden is fit, re-register and send Dowes back. (Fielden then gets paid for painting the chairmans fence while out of the game each month)
Dobson seems to be a topic on most fans forums - each agreeing he's a player that they would like at their club (me included) - what I want to see is each fan and each club not wanting to see Dobson in a KR shirt again this season (as the rules) and our games so called governors enforce the rules they create.
Failing that I urge Hull FC sign Greg inglis because I heard he drank a pint of Guiness once. Apparently he only needs £20,000 a year as his wife as a £300,000 a year cleaning job.
e-mail the RFL, e-mail your clubs - this must be blocked.
Thank you'"
Says a fan of "Gateshull Thunder Sharks FC"
I love these bitter posts - makes my day!!!
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| Quote ="tvoc".....Broughton....... could comfortably IMO have been entrusted with the number 2 shirt for 2010 on Donald's expected departure at the end of 2009.'"
I saw nothing to share your opinion from his loan spells at Hull, it appears his coaches (at Leeds and Hull) saw nothing to share your opinion and I've seen nothing since in his Salford displays to share your opinion.
But it's an opinion and you're entitled to it. Just seems we drag this up each time we see him play and he rarely does anything. If you were right I am sure you'd have your day by starting a thread after a rip roaring Broughton display. Maybe soon he will give you the ammunition.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Watkins' potential has never been in doubt as long as he continues to develope his all round game. I never particularly saw it as an either/or between them rather a potential future left wing partnership as Senior and Donald approached the twilight of their Leeds careers. One of Broughton/Watkins/Jones-Bishop could comfortably IMO have been entrusted with the number 2 shirt for 2010 on Donald's expected departure at the end of 2009.'"
To the Ginger Chancer's credit, at least he was prepared and willing to renege on another one-year extension to his contract. I'm guessing even he was embarrassed at the thought of stealing a substantial wage for one more season. It's just a shame the notorious eBay seller doesn't feel the same way.
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| Quote ="G1"But it's an opinion and you're entitled to it. Just seems we drag this up each time we see him play and he rarely does anything. If you were right I am sure you'd have your day by starting a thread after a rip roaring Broughton display. Maybe soon he will give you the ammunition.'"
I don't start many threads as a rule (the weekly Opta thread aside) and I wouldn't to discuss a Leeds decision from the past, just as it's rarely (if ever) me that turns a thread in to yet another Broughton discussion now that he's left.
I'd look a little closer to home to see who regularly casts that particular line. Often off the back of not actually bothering to watch a Broughton performance.
His 154 meters V Wigan last week sounded impressive after you enquired last week and where did he appear from to halt Rob Burrow in the second half on Friday? Pace like that is an invaluable commodity on the wing if the rest of his game is sound.
I know you'll appreciate those efforts or at least I know you would if a Leeds player had produced them.
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| Quote ="gostrider"Having seen the latest statement by the RFL that KR seem to have agreed a special agreement to re-register Dobson, despite going against the RFL's own rules - should fans of all clubs (obviously except Rovers) not be requesting their club and directly to the RFL that this should not be permitted. The RFL law states that the rule is there to stop clubs stock piling overseas players and then cherry picking who plays on a weekly basis, yet in affect this is what Hull KR are doing. Seems to me they are not bending rules but shattering them - they already took the mickey by getting special dispensation to sign Mason on a Tongan passport (Blocking clubs such as Huddersfield / Salford who had a genuine quota space). Surely registering Mason to the RFL while keeping Dobson's contract should mean Hull KR have exceeded quota regulations and should not have been allowed to go ahead. If they are allowed to get away with this our game will desend into a farce. Why dont Wigan terminate Fieldens contract - sign a prop - Ewan Dowes for example - using Fieldens space on the cap, then simply when Fielden is fit, re-register and send Dowes back. (Fielden then gets paid for painting the chairmans fence while out of the game each month)
Dobson seems to be a topic on most fans forums - each agreeing he's a player that they would like at their club (me included) - what I want to see is each fan and each club not wanting to see Dobson in a KR shirt again this season (as the rules) and our games so called governors enforce the rules they create.
Failing that I urge Hull FC sign Greg inglis because I heard he drank a pint of Guiness once. Apparently he only needs £20,000 a year as his wife as a £300,000 a year cleaning job.
e-mail the RFL, e-mail your clubs - this must be blocked.
Thank you'"
The jealosy and bitterness of some Hull Fc fans Knows no bounds, their obsession with their cross city rivals is becoming embarrasing, what Hull kr have done is within the rl laws and has in fact been implimented previously by other SL clubs on more than one occasion, as has been stated by the RFL, Rimmer stated every super league club has had some special dispensation in the past and KR are no different
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