Spot on. This post should go on the "Positives" thread as well. Because losing some of the glory hunting turd wipes who occupy the Southstand nowadays would certainly be a blessing

I'm no McDermott fan but you've got to give the guy a chance. I don't think you'll lose to Salford anyway so its rather a moot point.

His record with us was no great shakes and I think he's been extraordinarily fortunate to find himself in this position, but now that he's with you he needs at least a season to give it a fair crack. Having the injuries hasn't helped of course.

Some people can be so short sighted!

Well said. Although I'd have to say I think 'short sighted' is a bit of an understatement!

Really... all this reaction is because we lost to your lot at HQ. Had we won that, we'd be top of the league, 3 from 4, and the Wire away loss would've been acceptable given the injuries.

So in a way, what people are doing is calling for the new coach to be sacked because we lost to Quins at Headingley.

Who says that the performances cannot be reviewed or opinions be posted?
Lets just have a balanced view with the "bigger picture" taken into consideration aftrerall without that approach who is "out of touch with reality"?

Enough of this nonsense!



Apart from the troll who was the OP, perhaps you could actually highlight and quote which of the usual posters on here has ;

(A) Called for the sacking of BMD or

(B) Pronounced that the season is over

Or are we, simply regurgitating the unsubstantiated views of the F##kwit Massive, who have an attack of the vapours when someone takes the trouble to express an opinion?

A simple link will do RR. War and Peace, the price of cheese, or the colour of Sinny's laces need not form any part of your reply!

I thank you!

There are undoubtedly positives associated with Brian Mac's arrival, in terms of attacking play and changes to the first team line-up. He can't be blamed for everything wrong with the side given the tools at his disposal (injuries or otherwise).

The main point of concern is our defence. This was a problem last season and Brian Mac and Lowes have had a full off-season with the team to sort this out, yet we are one of the worst sides in the competition (so far anyway). Granted we are missing some big units who would make a difference here, but this is more about the team collectively as opposed to individuals IMO. Wigan played St. George missing Fielden and Lima, yet their pack was able to stand firm and the scoreline remained respectable at the end. Clearly improvements have been made on attack (despite an element of Michael Platt decision making creeping in at times), so why wasn't the defence improved too? Or rather, why has it deteriorated?

I think we have to remember that BMD inherited his team. If it was him making the decisions last season I doubt a few of the new contracts would have been made. But it would not have worked to replace half the starting 13 and the coach at the same time. BMD has to be part of the decision making process which is why we will probably see quite a change next year.

If you don't want to watch what his team produces, don't! If only everyone took note and I might not have the fool that's started standing near me shouting b0!!0cks at the top of his voice all match!

Win or lose, he has certainly delivered on his promise for exciting rugby!

FWIW... If we were full strength Kirke wouldn't get a look in!!!!

We'd have;

Peacock, Buderus, Leuluai, JJB, Ablett, Sinfield.

Meaning you'd be choosing 4 Subs from;

Bailey, Cross, Lauitiiti, Delaney, Hauraki, Burgess, Clarkson, Pitts & Kirke.

And that's if he decided to have 4 forwards on the bench, there might only be 3 of those that made it! And without including the on loan Ambler. Kirke would have to do a hell of a lot more than he has been doing to make the bench over that lot!

By that logic Powell should be credited with our championship win of 2004 and Noble should be for Wigan's last year. That's not to say we're doomed already, but if we are to credit Brian Mac for improving our attack then he must also take some responsibility for our defensive failings as well.

Leeds may currently be bottom of Super League but it's still too early to judge.

What are the criteria for qualifying to play in the Super League?

A recognition that there are only a maximum of five SL clubs who are genuinely competitive... and by that, I mean are genuine contenders to win the SL title. The rest of the SL clubs are nothing more than window dressing.

I do retain some reservations with regard to the inclusion of Huddersfield among the genuinely competitive elite. They may just be an occasional nuisance factor.

Fair enough. Do you think that there are other teams threatening to join the ranks? How far behind are Hull KR?

Quote ="Harrigan"all this talk about getting rid of a coach who has had to do a job missing several key players (yes, I appreciate that some of it is down to game plan ect.) after just 5 games is ridiculous! At this moment in time I believe we have the same record as this time last year.'" That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. Quote ="Sal Paradise"=#FF0000What a load of rubbish Wigan would never have capitulated to Harlequins in the way we did no matter who played!!'" No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Quote ="Sal Paradise"When did Kylie ever do sufficient defensive stuff that him not playing will put extra pressure on his team mates!! he misses more tackles than anyone, him not playing should make it easier.'" Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Quote ="west_leeds_rhino"If you don't want to watch what his team produces, don't! If only everyone took note and I might not have the fool that's started standing near me shouting b0!!0cks at the top of his voice all match!'" Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.

Quote ="Harrigan"all this talk about getting rid of a coach who has had to do a job missing several key players (yes, I appreciate that some of it is down to game plan ect.) after just 5 games is ridiculous! At this moment in time I believe we have the same record as this time last year.'" That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. Quote ="Sal Paradise"=#FF0000What a load of rubbish Wigan would never have capitulated to Harlequins in the way we did no matter who played!!'" No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Quote ="Sal Paradise"When did Kylie ever do sufficient defensive stuff that him not playing will put extra pressure on his team mates!! he misses more tackles than anyone, him not playing should make it easier.'" Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Quote ="west_leeds_rhino"If you don't want to watch what his team produces, don't! If only everyone took note and I might not have the fool that's started standing near me shouting b0!!0cks at the top of his voice all match!'" Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.

No I don't.

The bookies also agree.

Randomly selected bookies Odds to win SL outright.

[uSUPER LEAGUE ODDS[/u
10/11 Wigan
11/4 Warrington
13/2 St Helens
9/1 Leeds
12/1 Huddersfield
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[uNO HOPERS ODDS[/u
40/1 Hull KR
50/1 Bradford
66/1 Castleford
80/1 Hull
125/1 Harlequins, Catalans
250/1 Salford
300/1 Crusaders
1000/1 Wakefield

You need at least 10 games to give any indication of how good your team is. Even after 10 games you still may not know then. Think you have been playing under your potential rather than being a poor team. I am sure Brian will identify what needs to be done.

Again, fair enough, how do you envisage the other 9 teams closing the gap? I think the licencing process has 'encouraged' a lot of teams to get themselves sorted financially, and hopefully this will lead to an improvement throughout RL in general in the next 6-12 years.

Improvig the image of RL also needs to be a priority, from a competitive international competition(s), to the geographical location in which the game is played at at a professional level, and the stadia in which games are played, and the numbers in attendance at all games.

The only reason we have lost our last 2 games is that we are making too many unforced errors, which is not the fault of the coach but the players outhere on the damn pitch, if the players had only made half the errors they have so far this season the Rhinos would be top of the league.

Quote ="tvoc"That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.'" Again we come back to this lack of interpretation of the numbers - Leuluai seldom does more than 40 minutes in a game so if you divided his missed tackles into minutes played and then see how that compares to the likes of Jones Buchanan etc.

Quote ="tvoc"That statement is either arrogant or ignorant, not sure which at the moment but probably the latter. No need to add to it then. www.slstats.org/2010/4/23/Wigan+ ... ns+RL.html At the time Wigan were clear at the top and Harlequins were bottom. Not according to the Opta stats in 2010: Leuluai - 35 missed tackles in 21 Appearances = 1.66 per game Kirke - 42 missed tackles in 24 Appearances = 1.75 per game Jones-Buchanan - 45 missed tackles in 25 Appearances = 1.80 per game Ablett - 29 missed tackles in 16 Appearances = 1.81 per game Eastwood - 30 missed tackles in 15 Appearances = 2.00 per game Hey, I've paid my money so I'll stand where I like.'" Again we come back to this lack of interpretation of the numbers - Leuluai seldom does more than 40 minutes in a game so if you divided his missed tackles into minutes played and then see how that compares to the likes of Jones Buchanan etc.

Leuluai is there to provide punishing defence and with that comes a few that will miss their mark, that is the price you pay. When you're ready with your calculator don't forget to do the same exercise for Eastwood and Kirke who I imagine put in similar average game time to Leuluai last season.

What was your claim again?

I suppose you still believe your Wigan point also.

Agree re Wigan

Whether he is there for impact or not is irrelevant to how many tackles he misses or even doesn't get close which are excluded from the stats.

So from your stats he is still in the bottom 3 if you take into account time on the pitch - hardly going to cause other team mates to have to increase their workload due to him not being available - in fact should make their life easier?

The fact still remains the team has conceeded an average of >30 points a game that is a suitation that should give some concern as is difficult to score when you will spending so much time stood behind your own sticks?

Much of your post I could agree with, just some of it didn't stack up and you appeared quite adamant. You have a problem with Leuluai's defence, I know I've read your posts, it's not a view I share.

Just one problem Keith...

The other 4 clubs in SL all have an extra game to Leeds (because they played each other at the Magic Weekend, whereas Leeds played a Championship side in Bradford). Do you think the powers that be might take this into consideration??

Well spotted. Let's see if it makes a difference come the end of Keith's Super Super League season

If I'm honest, I'm actually pretty interested in seeing how Keith's SSL works out! (Obviously if our significant disadvantage is taken into consideration!)