I am sure you will. No-one with an ounce of sense could deny that about Leeds under the current administration.

I don't know the answer to that but in the SL Era it has never been achieved.

There would only be four teams in with a shout in Bradford, Hull, Leeds and Wigan.

Bradford's best sequence was 56 between 14th September 2002 and 18th August 2006

The other three's best runs are their current ones

98 - Leeds - 8th August 2003 to date
69 - Wigan - 5th August 2005 to date
55 - Hull - 4th August 2006 to date

6 months to pay off a season ticket?

Hmm



Could possibly stretch to that.

Quote ="Omar Little"Also I read somewhere else that Hetherington said that season ticket sales were slightly down but corporate sales were up (sorry can't find the article now) - so all the wigan fans etc can probably stop worrying - I'm sure we'll continue to be a club run on a sound financial footing for the foreseeable future '" www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6709873.jp If Leeds have a really bad season their turnover may even fall below £10,000,000 That's us screwed then.

Quote ="Omar Little"Also I read somewhere else that Hetherington said that season ticket sales were slightly down but corporate sales were up (sorry can't find the article now) - so all the wigan fans etc can probably stop worrying - I'm sure we'll continue to be a club run on a sound financial footing for the foreseeable future '" www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... 6709873.jp If Leeds have a really bad season their turnover may even fall below £10,000,000 That's us screwed then.

All hail Darth!!!

Applying its literal translation, I'm not sure there's much "shameful" about Leeds season ticket sales for 2011 that the average Bulls fan can take "joy" in either.

Don't have the figures to hand, but how do the two clubs stack up in terms of season ticket revenue, assuming an "average" season ticket price and known sales to date?

What's your problem? I wasn't having a go.

Did not realise one had to contend with the semantics police on here now.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you Adey.

I didn't think you were "having a go", just pointing out that the reason there's little interest in gloating from the Bulls supporters may be because the Leeds figures aren't actually that bad put in the context of the current economic climate.

Hence the follow-up question about whether X amount of discounted season tickets will actually realise more revenue for the Bulls than Y amount of full price ones at Leeds - although I appreciate there are unquantifiable benefits such as matchday spend (assuming each ST holder actually turns up to every game).

Would you not concede that the big rise in attendances at Leeds Rhinos was in a large part due to the sharp decline of Leeds United about the same period.

And could the reverse happen if Leeds United return to the Premiership?
Fans only have a certain amount of money to spend.

Nope - next.

I'd had say it had a hell of a lot more to do with the product on the field improving, the club becoming more successful as a result and increasing its profile in that way than fans deserting Leeds United and deciding they would go watch the rugby instead.

These are the Leeds totals season by season for the Headingley SL Regular Rounds:

1996 ..... 8,581
1997 ..... 10,998
1998 ..... 12,164
1999 ..... 13,482
2000 ..... 12,674
2001 ..... 12,881
2002 ..... 12,157
2003 ..... 12,846
2004 ..... 16,028
2005 ..... 17,012
2006 ..... 15,677
2007 ..... 17,558
2008 ..... 17,043
2009 ..... 15,774
2010 ..... 15,355

If someone wants to do a similar list charting Leeds United's demise then they are welcomed to do so.

Do people use the same argument about Wigan Athletic ?
Given that they are a Premiership club does that mean that Wigan RL should really have 25K crowds but lots of them go to the football instead ?

No, because in general the Wigan football fans watch Athletic and not Wigan Rugby League, and vice versa, which is why you don't see a 91 page Wigan Athletic thread on the Wigan RL messageboard.

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HTH.

Wigan Rugbys gates have actually increased since Wigan Athletic came in to the Premiership.

and Leeds were the best attended club in SL when Leeds Utd were in the Semi-Finals of the champions league.

There is 700'000 people in the City of Leeds (not to mention the circa 3m in the city region) it would be very surprising if Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos were fighting over less than 10 percent of that figure who would need to be the only people who regularly attend sport in the city.

But Leeds gates where static around that period, and the dramatic increase came around 2004 when Leeds United got relegated.

Do you think that is coincidence?

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Yes, because they won their first SL title that year, playing some great rugby.

2004 was also the season Leeds won their first championship in 32 years, as well as being the season LUFC left the premiership.

Glass half full - Rhinos success brought fans to the club
Glass half empty - People started coming because LUFC were in a lower division.

The truth? Probably somewhere in the middle.

What he said.

Yes, do you know why, because Leeds Utd where relegated (after a couple of seasons bobbing round the lower part of the premiership) at the end of the 2003-2004 season, which is mid-way through the SL season, the same SL season that Leeds Rhinos won the SL with a record points total, a record points scored, a record points difference, by a record margin and for the first time since Methuselah was born.

I would think the fact the Rhinos were successful, and so successful, after such a long wait had much more of an affect than Leeds Utd being relegated mid way through the SL season.

Average attendances at Leeds Rhinos increased by almost 5,000 between 1996 and 1999, a period when Leeds United were enjoying Champions League football, reaching the semi-finals of the UEFA Cup and breaking the British transfer record.

Where did those extra 5,000 fans come from? Shouldn't they have been saving up for expensive European away trips and Leeds United season tickets?

Hetherington has gone on record on numerous occassions about how Leeds Rhinos have more fans from outside it's catchment area than any other club.

The team at Headingley, coincidentally from 2003, actually targetted fans from other areas to increase the gates. Cumbria and Northumerland give a high number of visitors to Headingley. I doubt that many of them will be Leeds United fans.

By contrast, Leeds United have previously gone on record has saying that over 20% of their supporter base is from Outside of Yorkshire and in the south of the country and Ireland.

22-Feb-04 ….. London ….. 15,119
19-Mar-04 ….. Wigan ….. 18,124
08-Apr-04 ….. Bradford ….. 21,225
16-Apr-04 ….. Huddersfield ….. 11,701
07-May-04 ….. Warrington ….. 16,065
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28-May-04 ….. Salford ….. 14,239
11-Jun-04 ….. Widnes ….. 13,419
25-Jun-04 ….. Hull ….. 15,153
09-Jul-04 ….. Castleford ….. 13,922
23-Jul-04 ….. St Helens ….. 16,635
01-Aug-04 ….. Wakefield ….. 15,629
22-Aug-04 ….. Bradford ….. 21,225
27-Aug-04 ….. Castleford ….. 14,605
17-Sep-04 ….. London ….. 17,329

Leeds were enjoying a pretty good upsurge in support even before Leeds' relegation probably by way of the factors mentioned previously.

Absolutely cock on there. I was going to rip the pi55 out of the whole city of Leeds until I factored in the context of the current economic climate.

Every club has its core supporters and most will be envious of the solid season ticket sales at Headingley despite a poor last season by recent standards.

With the belt tightening that most people are having to contemplate you would expect ticket sales to be under pressure. Add to that the fact that the team last year were well below their best for entertainment and you lose some support.

If the new coaches can get the team returning to a fast, offloading, wider attacking game then the floating supporters will be there at the turnstyles. As has been previously stated those that did not want to commit to the cost of the season ticket will be there for the big games.

When playing well Leeds have always attracted the independent rugby league supporter who has no real ties to any club but values open rugby in a great stadium with atmosphere. Put the product on the field and the support will be there even in difficult economic times. (please note GH)