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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"it cannot be a faill safe way to judge a player if he can make it in the NRL there are several distinctly average players who made it in NRL who were not great GRIMALDI and TANDY spring to mind
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"I've read the same rumour on a couple of other forums.
I would imagine there will be all sorts of rumours flying around now with the departing players and coaches.
Others i've read include Bailey & Cash to Hull for Tom briscoe and Andy Lynch from Bulls.
Before this last couple of weeks I'd have said its all rubbish but everything seems crazy at the moment so who knows'"
Who's this "Cash" player?? I must admit I've not seen him play If he's good enough to be swapped for Briscoe we should consider keeping him and giving him a run in the first team!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The same Rangi Chase that made 31 appearances in the NRL in the two seasons prior to joining Castleford?'"
This is Southstander.com, mere facts are irellevant and have NO bearing here, please take them with you on your way out and give us 5 hail Damo's.
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| Quote ="GARFORTH LAD"Heard from a reliable source, Rob Burrow is going to Cas with Rangi Chase in exchange to Leeds. Has anyone else heard anything?
Apparently Rangi Chase has been seen drinking in Leeds with the Rhinos team ! with whom he seems close.'"
Thats bloody good eyesight , Rangis in australia ffs
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"
This is Rangi Chase we are talking about - a distinctly average half back that is playing in SL because he isn't good enough to get a gig in NRL'"
Since when did "not being good enough to get a gig in NRL" mean "Won't be any good in SL"??
Unless you're watching a different comp to me, it seems a player who may seem quite average in the NRL would still be one of the stand out players in an SL team.
Besides which... We've all seen what Chase can do in SL because we've been watching him doing it for 2 years so how he'd get on in an NRL team is irrelevant isn't it?! Some of his work is amazing and only let down by the fact he eventually has to pass and 99 times out of 100 there's a Castleford player on the end of it.
All this is irrelevant though because I'll be shocked Cas let him go. Even if it is for the only man from Cas with a full time job.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The same Rangi Chase that made 31 appearances in the NRL in the two seasons prior to joining Castleford?'"
there you go, spoiling the kids fun with facts, when will you ever learn, a Whino is never wrong, ridiculous but not wrong
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"I'm sorry, call me thick but that's gone totally over my head and if it's an insult it has missed the mark.
Do forgive, it's been a long day, I'll try and dumb down and read it again...
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your not the only one, gone flying over my head
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| Quote ="Ferdy"your not the only one, gone flying over my head'"
Thank God!!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The same Rangi Chase that made 31 appearances in the NRL in the two seasons prior to joining Castleford?'"
The very same player who played only 50% of the games available - I don't see Jamie Soward or Ben Hornby in SL but I do see Rangi Chase?
Perhaps the bosses at St George know something we don't?
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| Quote ="Serge A. Storms"The very same player who played only 50% of the games available - I don't see Jamie Soward or Ben Hornby in SL but I do see Rangi Chase?
Perhaps the bosses at St George know something we don't?'"
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this already but you didn't seem to take any notice the first time (perhaps because there's little or no argument to it)...
What are you aiming to achieve by trying to determine whether or not Rangi Chase could cut it in the NRL??
We play in the Super League don't we?
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this already but you didn't seem to take any notice the first time (perhaps because there's little or no argument to it)...
What are you aiming to achieve by trying to determine whether or not Rangi Chase could cut it in the NRL??
We play in the Super League don't we?'"
agree there are plenty who do well over here in SL The importace is how has he played in SL
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| The pertinent issue here (and also in other cases of ex NRL players) is; would this signing prevent a young British player from getting an opportunity to improve? In my view the answer is an overwhelming Yes.
Chase is an average halfback from Aus / NZ and failed to get a regular gig there so came here to try his luck. He has a good kicking game, but very limited passing game, and therefore is IMHO taking up a space which would be better used giving a British kid a chance.
He's not quite the definition of a Kolpak Stiff, but he's not that far off.
When SL in general is picking up players like this, is it really surprising that we are regularly humped on the International stage?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"The pertinent issue here (and also in other cases of ex NRL players) is; would this signing prevent a young British player from getting an opportunity to improve? In my view the answer is an overwhelming Yes.
Chase is an average halfback from Aus / NZ and failed to get a regular gig there so came here to try his luck. He has a good kicking game, but very limited passing game, and therefore is IMHO taking up a space which would be better used giving a British kid a chance.
He's not quite the definition of a Kolpak Stiff, but he's not that far off.
When SL in general is picking up players like this, is it really surprising that we are regularly humped on the International stage?'"
Chase looked pretty useful and effective against England couple of weeks ago....... And as for the argument about giving a British kid a chance do you think that chance will be increased with the incumbent Burrow there as opposed to the hypothetical replacement, Chase ?
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| The difference is Burrow is British. Chase looked exactly what he is, a decent Maori half, no more no less. I wouldn't be saying sign him up on that performance.
Fans seem to fall into two categories, those who are willing to take a stand against the dross overseas imports that clog up SL and reduce the player pool for GB/England, and those who only want to see their individual club succeed regardless of the impact that has on the International game.
Without a competitive International game, Rugby League will always struggle to survive rather than thrive.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"The difference is Burrow is British. Chase looked exactly what he is, a decent Maori half, no more no less. I wouldn't be saying sign him up on that performance.
Fans seem to fall into two categories, those who are willing to take a stand against the dross overseas imports that clog up SL and reduce the player pool for GB/England, and those who only want to see their individual club succeed regardless of the impact that has on the International game.
Without a competitive International game, Rugby League will always struggle to survive rather than thrive.'"
But there aren't any British 7s of adequate quality to improve our team (Eastmond excepted perhaps, but he's nowhere near available to us). Would you prefer, if we were to need a half-back to go straight into our team, we got Brough or Myler? Because Chase is much better player and a much much better fit for what Leeds lack than either of them (and than Burrow, for that matter).
I don't want Leeds stuffed to the gills with Anzacs either, but the recruitment mistake in that regard could be seen to be going for someone like Cross to address our issues in the front row rather than the available LMS or the gettable Lynch. If we need a half-back who can break defences and has an excellent short-kicking game to give us what we need near the line then it's entirely understandable that Hetherington is targetting Chase,regardless of his nationality.
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| I would prefer to see British talent, but who would we replace burrow with if at all. Don't think we have one in the youth system ready to go at the moment, especially with mags missing!
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| You hit the nail on the head in your starting sentence. There aren't any British 7's of adequate quality to improve the team, because while ever we mass import 7's (or any other position for that matter) we don't give the British players chance to improve.
Look at the top 8 clubs scrum halves for next season Wigan (Finch), Saints (Eastmond), Warrington (Monaghan), Leeds (Burrow), Huddersfield (Brough), Hull (Long), Hull KR (Dobson) and Crusaders (Hanbury or Sammut). So of the 4 that are British, one is 34, one you are happy to replace with an overseas player (to make it 5 in the 8 next year), one should have gone on tour (Brough) and the other is injured so regularly it would be laughable if he wasn't our best hope at 7 for the next few years.
We have got to stop bringing in overseas players who block the progress of young British kids. Look at the dross we have on offer in the backs and mentally do the same comparison as I have above to further prove the point.
I agree entirely that LMS or Lynch would be much better for Leeds than Cross, but only if they were replaced at their previous clubs by British players who could then improve in a competitive environment, otherwise we should have promoted Ambler IMHO.
Whilst we persist with importing average antipodeans, we will struggle for years after in the International arena, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Oh and if we were talking about on field performance Brough over Chase by plenty as a recently returned poster on here would say. Brough has a better kicking game, better passing game, and neither is a great defender so there you have it. Both come with more baggage than BA could deal with at Heathrow though...
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Monahan starting number 7????'"
Yes, he was the starting 7 in the cup final and then played at 7 for the season run in, when Myler was available and Clarke was back fit again. Seems a fair comment to me, when Myler couldn't shift him?
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| Spot on Batts Myler never got a real look in inthe last couple of months of the season.
FWIW I think we'd be mad to ditch Burrow and i think we should see what kind of game we play under Brian Mc before writing one of our best players off.
Now i know last season wasn't Robs best but he spent plenty of time out injured and other than 3/4 who really did perform to their potential/talent?
Now i'm not gonna get into slanging matches but this is the same Burrow that has done the business at the top for this club for a number of years and just because he did'nt perform to his best in a season when we never really got going and he suffered from injuries i don't think that amounts to ditching him.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Yes, he was the starting 7 in the cup final and then played at 7 for the season run in, when Myler was available and Clarke was back fit again. Seems a fair comment to me, when Myler couldn't shift him?'"
Fair enough I just thought I remembered him playing more 9 than 7 last year?don't have any stats was just what I thought I remembered. If I am wrong fair enough.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Spot on Batts Myler never got a real look in inthe last couple of months of the season.
FWIW I think we'd be mad to ditch Burrow and i think we should see what kind of game we play under Brian Mc before writing one of our best players off.
Now i know last season wasn't Robs best but he spent plenty of time out injured and other than 3/4 who really did perform to their potential/talent?
Now i'm not gonna get into slanging matches but this is the same Burrow that has done the business at the top for this club for a number of years and just because he did'nt perform to his best in a season when we never really got going and he suffered from injuries i don't think that amounts to ditching him.'"
I agree with most of that I don't think we should get rid, however I would not class him as one of our best players, I ain't saying he is rubbish and I want rid before people start but he would not be at the top of my list of players I would want to keep
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| Monaghan had shirt number 9, and did in fact start the season at hooker, but then moved to play scrum half later in the year when Myler got a knock. Myler then recovered and couldn't budge Monaghan from the position, so I took the huge leap of faith that TS would start with the form player from last year in that position.
I accept that Myler is a potential 7 for a top 8 club, but IMHO he has a long way to go live up to the hype he attracts. Scores a few tries and is a good support player (a little like Burrow earlier in his career) but lacks organisational skills and a good all round kicking game.
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