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| Quote ="thebloodbath"You are way out.'"
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That's a fully fit Mark Calderwood (2005) against a fully fit Ryan Hall (2009). Even with the benefit of the better centre, I know which one I would prefer.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'"
Yes, and thats Ryan Hall!
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That's a fully fit Mark Calderwood (2005) against a fully fit Ryan Hall (2009). Even with the benefit of the better centre, I know which one I would prefer.
www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'"
Yes, and thats Ryan Hall!
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| calders was a great player for us whilst he was at the club and i will never forget his contribution to the great revival at that same time,but in regards him coming back,then no chance i'm afraid
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| [url=http://viewtopic.php?p=15471209#p15471209Calderwood by plenty![/url
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| Quote ="tvoc"And in 2011?'"
A re-signed at any cost Broughton ?
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"A re-signed at any cost Broughton ?
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Whats this 'at any cost' bit. Caldy (No we're not mates but having helped pay his wages for a few a years Im sure He'd let me have this one) has been released.
Jeez some guys just cant hold a straight conversation these days.
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| Quote ="tvoc"And in 2011?'"
Like I said. A fit and on form Calderwood is better, but that fitness if for medical teams to decide not me, and considering Hull releasing him I guess that is your answer.
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Im not pro Caldy here, just saying that if we were looking for some speed to replace Donald he [imay [/ibe an option.
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Is that "some speed" he uses to run sideways 9 times out of 10?
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| I think direct comparisons between Calderwood (at his best) and Hall or Smith are difficult. Calderwood brought raw speed, the league's best kick chase and tremendous marker defence. Hall has that raw power and size which is a rare weapon in a winger. He's got some learning to do, but he's already a far better close range finisher than Calderwood. Hardly short of space either. Smith on the other hand is probably the slowest of the 3, but he is the most complete rugby player, and has an eye for a gap or an angle, a predatory instinct and an uncanny ability to find the try line in big games.
Moot point, because I don't think the Calderwood of 2005(ish) still exists.
I think the club should always be open to the right player being available and improving the squad, but Calderwood wouldn't do that. We have 2 wingers who are currently better, with Watkins and Ben Jones-Bishop who can cover in the three quarters, even if they're not natural wingers. No objection to considering another option if it's the right option at the right price. Not Calderwood though.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I think direct comparisons between Calderwood (at his best) and Hall or Smith are difficult. Calderwood brought raw speed, the league's best kick chase and tremendous marker defence. Hall has that raw power and size which is a rare weapon in a winger. He's got some learning to do, but he's already a far better close range finisher than Calderwood. Hardly short of space either. Smith on the other hand is probably the slowest of the 3, but he is the most complete rugby player, and has an eye for a gap or an angle, a predatory instinct and an uncanny ability to find the try line in big games.
Moot point, because I don't think the Calderwood of 2005(ish) still exists.
I think the club should always be open to the right player being available and improving the squad, but Calderwood wouldn't do that. We have 2 wingers who are currently better, with Watkins and Ben Jones-Bishop who can cover in the three quarters, even if they're not natural wingers. No objection to considering another option if it's the right option at the right price. Not Calderwood though.'"
I don't dissagree with any of that. I think you put it rather well.
For me though there isn't a winger in this country who comes close to Calderwood of 2005. I would love to see us work with a winger to match the way Calderwood played.
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| The only way Calderwood could come back to Leeds is if he offered to join on a pay as you play deal, and train with the squad to prove his fitness.
It ain't gonna happen though...
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| Calderwood's 'minder' is a mouthy little f-ker.
Bet he ends up getting him in more trouble that out of it.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"I think direct comparisons between Calderwood (at his best) and Hall or Smith are difficult. Calderwood brought raw speed, the league's best kick chase and tremendous marker defence. Hall has that raw power and size which is a rare weapon in a winger. He's got some learning to do, but he's already a far better close range finisher than Calderwood. Hardly short of space either. Smith on the other hand is probably the slowest of the 3, but he is the most complete rugby player, and has an eye for a gap or an angle, a predatory instinct and an uncanny ability to find the try line in big games.
Moot point, because I don't think the Calderwood of 2005(ish) still exists.
I think the club should always be open to the right player being available and improving the squad, but Calderwood wouldn't do that. We have 2 wingers who are currently better, with Watkins and Ben Jones-Bishop who can cover in the three quarters, even if they're not natural wingers. No objection to considering another option if it's the right option at the right price. Not Calderwood though.'"
Well put
Only one of two posters on this thread (except me obvioulsy) who grasped what it was about.
Totally agree with everything said here.
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| Quote ="Fallon"Well put
Only one of two posters on this thread (except me obvioulsy) who grasped what it was about.
Totally agree with everything said here.'"
Considering your opening post appears to suggest signing Calderwood could be a smart move and the EL D post you're now agreeing with says the opposite you should fit right in around here.
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| Calderwood is the best natural winger of this generation & should have been a GB regular. It ain't gonna happen now though.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Considering your opening post appears to suggest signing Calderwood could be a smart move and the EL D post you're now agreeing with says the opposite you should fit right in around here.'"
I think you hit the nail on your own head here TVOC - "could".
It was a question, perhaps even the start of a discussion or a debate if you will.
Appears that for some that concept is just too abstract.
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| In answer to your question in that case - no, nobody else does think he might be a good option...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"In answer to your question in that case - no, nobody else does think he might be a good option...'"
Not so tricky was it
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| I'll have to jump on the "No" bandwaggon.
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| Quote ="Fallon"Not so tricky was it'"
Not for most no, just for some like the thread opener for example who made a case for signing Calderwood.
The only question came at the end when they asked if anyone agreed and guess what ..... nobody has.
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| If you could guarantee a fit and on form Calderwood, I think a wing partnership of him and Hall would be pretty exciting - Unfortunately, the 'fit and on form' part has been and gone, so it's a no from me too. Unless of course he fancies training and playing for nowt to earn himself a contract - then I'd snap his hand off.
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| the mark calderwood we know and love is gone fallon. He's gone!!!! He died 5 years ago and bar a breif resurrection in october 2008 all that's left is a ragged bundle of bones.
It's a non starter, let's all move on with our lives and forget this thread was ever started.
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| The top and bottom of it is Calders played only four games the whole season.His workrate and commitment couldn`t be faulted when he did play for us.As posted by a previous person,Hull medics have probably found something amiss.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Not for most no, just for some like the thread opener for example who made a case for signing Calderwood.
The only question came at the end when they asked if anyone agreed and guess what ..... nobody has.'"
Inaccurate TVOC but dont let that get in the way matey.
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