Got to say Gotcha i think Roby has been very good when i've seen him this year and think his inclusion is deserved.

No Buderus?!?!? Shock horror.

A 13 man team might be even more effective. Just ask the Hull fans

As you rightly point out, he was very poor indeed defensively in the semi final.

He has, however, made c.1000 metres more than the next highest metre making prop this season which is remarkable really.

Bearing in mind the long term injury to Maurie and the long periods other pack men have spent injured (Soliola, Wilkin etc) or out of position in the backs (Flannery, Moore, Wilkin) he's been pretty miraculous in his performances again to be honest.

The bloke is a machine. I can't wait to see his performances next season with some decent prop support for once in Perry and LMS.

haha, SOL was my 13 - no idea why I missed him out.

Not saying he has been anything but good, but Monaghan has been far better.

Maybe not so much on here because this is the Leeds board but give the dream team thread on the VT a bit of time to get to 10 pages and see all the bitching about it being "Incorrect".

I've got nothing against "the dream team" and have no problem debating it but I just think some people take it far too seriously.

Bit of a myth I reckon, check out his stats v SOL and he'll get humped for workrate, line breaking and creativity I would imagine.

To be fair, I get the impression from following the likes of Chris Irvine on Twitter that if they rules would allow them to pick a team and then have some sort of system to convert that into a Dream Team they would prefer that. The only choice they have is to pick Tomkins at stand-off because of the rules on voting, even though he has played his best rugby from FB, which means that Wellens ends up been at FB by being second choice to Tomkins and McGuire also got left out as a second choice to Tomkins!!!

He's been a great player, but never MOS this year.

Fully agree with the suggestions above with the exception of Senior though - I don't think he's been of the same calibre as Morley for instance in 2010.

I would have had Westwood down as MOS anyway personally, but failing that I think Graham deserves the accolade this year more than when he last won it. He's held that Saints pack on his own this year for the most part, and excelled whilst doing it.

And he's played a fair bit at prop.

Very true.

I think SOL is the best of a fairly weak LF offering in SL (given Sinfield has been down on his usual standards). Fitzgibbon might have been as decent shout had he played there enough.

Keith Senior, 35 tackles on Saturday with no misses.

Leeds have been playing him out of position all season that's all.

Sinfield is overated

Sinfield played quite a few games at 6 when Burrow was injured. I don't know if he's played more there than at loose or not

And very good at it he was too!
Too late to move him permanently this year though imo.

Same sh#t different season but a different crank now the pies have something to shout about.

Not really fella never have rated him tbh

your right he's rubbish. in between captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing

Only thing O' loughlin is good at is swinging arms, cheap shots.

Oh and no real creativity, how many goals has he kicked this year, not in the same class as sinfield overall, just what does he bring to the pies ?????? and or the super league in fact sorry if this is harsh but face facts he is just a meter maker and not avery good one at that.

captaining leeds to 5 grand finals, with 4 wins, in 6 years he's done nothing has he, something O'Looughlin can only ever dream about. FACT

He doesn't kick for us do you want to get into a points argument between our 2 kickers cause there will be only 1 winner

Says something when he could only get into the england team in a position he doesn't play

Sorry King Warrior I wasn't comparing goal kickers just pointing out what sinny brings to the team/game that Mr O'Loughlin clearly does not, please enlighten us to the qualities of your number 13, as I just cant see them and would further question his inclusion inthe dream team, not that I am saying sinny deserves to be in it as he does not he has been way below his normally high standards in all aspects of his game

Well we all have opinions and if you cant see what locky does for us it's not worth explaing

There are 2 positions i'd change in that dream team and is senior for atkins and roby for eith piggy or monaghan

Just about ok with choices but 2 positions puzzle me:-

Has Tomkins really been better than McGuire this season?

Is Wellens the best FB in the country?