Myler has done little to warrant inclusion in a fully fit Warrington team let alone an International side.

Eastmond is St Helens equivalent of Lauitiiti lately. The mind is willing but the body is weak.

ive been saying it all season, Mcguire has kept us in the hunt this year. Burrow, JP, Sinfield and Webb have all struggled with Injury and form this year, Mcguire is the big name who has kept us going, would not swap him for any half in SL.

With a decent organising half back against 12 men for 70 minutes, it would have been a walkover.

Swap McGuire or Burrow for Briers yesterday and Leeds win at a canter.

Add Eastwood for mine.

a ''decent organising halfback'' wouldn't have scored the tries mcguire did which won us the game.

He wouldn't have needed to, the game would have been won with 20 minutes to go.

I could be wrong, but our team did create enough chances to win by that much, but the final execution let us down.

[uNever[/u for McGuire....but yes, maybe, for Burrow. Have said elsewhere you cannot deny Burrow's spirit, pace and broken play ability (and his pass yesterday to Donald wasn't bad either). I really do admire the little guy.
However, we do undoubtedly need a Briers to complement McGuire (the better of the two....certainly by far this year - DEF our player of the year) if we want to continue challenging the best from half back.

With Clarkson commanding a regular position we could maybe find the answer in moving Sinfield more permanently to Stand Off and Clarkson taking Sinfield's place at LF. Burrow as super sub / better interchange hooker than Diskin.

Am i watching a different game or something? Where have you been the last however many caps danny mcguire has for england?

He's been awful for england. He's not been good for leeds either. The only reason you think he's played well is because he's scored a few decent tries.

Okay, thats a great attribute. But you had a man overlap on the pitch last night for 68 minutes? nearly 7/8ths of the match? and yet you failed to romp that team. That makes me think that your offensive organisation is shocking.

I beggars belief that you want him to be picked for england. If i was you, i'd be worrying what bluey is gonna be doing to sort you offence out.

He's slow. He cant organise, and has failed for england many a time before.

Why dont we play him?

Yep he's the reason we've had our ar#es handed to us on a number of occasions down under and in past tournaments of course the other 16 on duty were world class and just unlucky to have to carry an average player who has "scored a few decent tries" in his time!
Personally i would'nt want any Leeds player near the England team because afterall we have the mighty Tompkins and "Rich tea" Eastmond who are our saviours now and now the likes of Wigan are actually looking like a possible threat again that puts on the path to world dominance.

To be fair Jesus is way overrated...can't pass, no pace, not enough go forward

Managed to make it until he was 36 though didnt he?

that simply isnt the case, and its a very simplistic view of our game.

We made plenty of breaks, and had plenty of opportunities, numerous times forwards like Eastwood and Ablett were put through gaps, and Smith and Delany had a couple of opportunities on the outside, it is simply we lacked any kind of creativity in the three-quarters.

I always though that was something of a miracle!

not a fan but yesterday he won the game for you lot..good peformance..think you nee a better sh than burrow now though!

Dont get me started

And he was always good in the wet... never lost his footing. It was like he was walking on water.

Yet quick enough to make the break,Hall running on the diagonal was always favorite and would probably have stopped a 21 year old McGuire.

Disagree. Briers has had opportunities aplenty to galvanise struggling teams. Usually he's failed miserably. There's no reason to suppose things would be any different if he was put in that position again.

Struggling teams? You can hardly compare this Leeds team to the Wire squads and coaches Briers has had to cope with in the past!

Are you saying that Leeds couldn't have been any better organised by the halves against a team with 12 men for 70 minutes? Leeds played very dumb rugby for the vast majority of that game (IMO of course).

Even if you're right about him based upon Saturday's game are you basing your assessment on that game alone?

Maybe he and Leon are mirror images? Leon shines in the run of the mill games, the 50 nil shallockings of Salford and Wakey, whereas Dnny shines on the biggest stage whilst Leon gets hiddy?

Leon has won as many GF's as DM (including a Harry Sunderland against Leeds which DM hasn't picked up) and won 5 challenge cups to DM's 0 (including a Lance Todd). He's also played 6 when we've beaten Australia in their Sydney back yard.

Not sure why you would bring Leon into a discussion about Leeds looking disorganised against 12 men, but there you go.

As I pointed out on the VT Leon won his HS playing on the wing, not stand off. Noble knew he didn't have the mettle to organise a team which is why he played him there giving him freedom to drift in and out of the game. It was also Noble's belief that Leon couldn't play 6 that led to him joining you.

Not sure why you would base your opinion on McGuire solely on Saturday's game rather than the couple of hundred odd others but there you go.

Given Brian Noble picked him at 6 in a game GB won in Sydney, then moved him away from that position for the rest of the tournament (losses) - his opinion as to Leon's ability at 6 is questionable at best.



I'm not basing my opinion on Saturday's game, it just highlighted the issue again. If you re-read my post - I actually said that if you swap McGuire OR Burrow for an organising half in that game, Leeds would win comfortably. Not just DM. Leeds played dumb rugby with little direction from half back - that's just my opinion.

DM is having a cracking season, and if you read any of my England team posts I have him in there at 6, I'm just saying that with a bit more structure Saturday would have been a cake walk.

OK, fair enough. My opinion was that, like last week, it was more to do with the forwards. Burrow and McGuire actually won that game for us. Burrow with his break that led to McGuire's try and his lovely cut out pass to Donald and McGuire with his two pieces of individual brilliance. They did it with little or no support from their forwards. As a result I don't think Briers would have made a jot of difference and, given he lacks the skills McGuire and Burrow do to break down a defence on their own, we may have actually lost.

I think that is fair enough but I don't think the lack of structure is their fault. I think there's a coaching issue and a less dominant pack issue. We're in agreement about the effect but it would appear not the cause.