So don't read it.

Who died and made you boss?

He's a Leeds player and on this forum I am free to air my views on him and any other matters. feel free to disagree, which you go on to do in a decent enough fashion but save me the bleeding heart sentiment because I couldn't care less if you find it tiresome as I aint here to keep you happy.

I agree Delaney is behind the line when he receives the pass imo.

its on the super league tv website, you may be able to argue on the line/before the line but sinfield's release position is in no way level to the collecting position



I care because i think it is a poor refereeing decision and the standard of the referees is poor, the referee's mistakes led to and cancelled out a number of tries in the 80 minutes, enough to change the result which is a worry when Silverwood is seen as the best we have by the RFL, i expect more unless something is done, Mr Cummings needs to sort it out

Don't hold yer breath for Cummings to improve matters mate he was at best an average official and spent many weekends in the lower leagues after inept displays in the SL with the whistle.

Just watched it again (a few times) and given Sinfield's lateral movement and Delaney's forward movement onto the ball I stil think it was a lovely flat pass. It was certainly marginal and certainly cannot be described as being half as controversial a decision as those that denied the McGuire and Hall tries.

Your criticism of Kirke whilst having foundation is rather harsh, IMO. As has been said he's a squad player, you cannot field a team full of world beaters, and whilst he may not win the collision as often as someone his size should, he doesn't lose as many as you say (IMO).

I suspect that your criticism is probably born from the fact that he has the potential to be alot better than he is now, if it was I'd certainly agree with that.

Nail on the head. I agree with your assessment of Kirke and I agree with Leicester Rhinos.

What I cannot abide is softness in a Rugby Player. My views on kirke were preceeded by similar views on gentle Giants like Feather and McDonald.

I can see your point but I'm from a different school of thought. I was actually a fan of both Feather and McDonald in their times at this club, which put me in a very small minority I think.

They didn't hit all their weight, and by professional RL standards we certainly 'soft' for front rowers, but IMO because of their sheer size (Feather especially) were effective front rowers. The fact that the potential was there to be very, very good was a huge frustration, but IMO they were both quite effective.

agreed but fev is a proper proper top bloke!

Where is Feather these days??

I heard he was packing his bags to try and play at some level in Oz.

Can anyone inform me?

He tried, went and is back. Last seen at a gym near Pontefract by a mate of mine last week.

he was playing in France at Villeneuve I think!

He was sat a few rows in front of us in the Carnegie stand at the Warrington game with Evans (cannot remember his first name..but the bloke whose had stints at Bradford & Cas and probably overs..is it Jeff?)

James Evans

Thanks Tad....i got his initial right

I agree that would have been relevant if it was true, it wasn't though.

You forgot to add "i my opinion" because, in my opinion, in the opinion of other posters and in the opion of people trained and paid to jduge these things, it was true.

The fact that Delaney caught the ball ahead of where Sinfield released it (in relation to the pitch markings) isn't really opinion. It's a statement of the facts of the matter.

There is divided opinion on whether the pass was forward or not (in accordance with the laws of the game) and both camps have several posters lined up.

Forward: tvoc, Hopie and El Barbudo

Backwards: G1, back to back to back and rhinoms

Add me to the backwards list. So to speak.

Well, our view of the facts appears to differ. If that isn't us having opinions then I don't know what is.


And the full time, full trained, professional match officials.

where the ball was released and where it was caught are facts, you cant have an opinion that changes that, by mentioning momentum you are implying you agree with what i posted earlier, but that the pass was still a " lovely flat" one, that is the opinion part where you disagree with myself and others



well you are calling a notoriously unreliable witness there (you will note the touchjudge is badly out of position to make a call too)
furthermore the awarding of a try means they didnt see it go forward, not that it didnt happen

I realise it's an echo but I'll post my reply just the same



The point at which the ball was released by Sinfield and the point at which it was caught by Delaney is not, or at least shouldn't be, subject to opinion.

The legality of the pass (within the rules of the game) is subject to opinion but that is not what this discussion is about.




Are they incapable of making an error?

Where the ball was released and caught are facts.

However, we have all expressed different opinions about where the ball was released and where it was caught.

The following was not a statement of fact

It was TVOCs opinion. TVOC claimed it to be a statement of fact. It patently isn't. Unless of course the "facts" are different when viewed by TVOC and me, or Hopie and Puig or El Barbudo and back to back to back?

Well it's difficult to argue otherwise. I've watched it quite a few times now and can't for the life of me work out how you've formed that opinion.

Well, it would appear that it is. In my opinion, and in the opinion of others who have posted on this thread, delaney received the ball in line with or marginally behind from where Sinfield released it.

Now, I understand that you can repeat that delaney was ahead of where Sinfield released the pass when he received it. I accept your right to do that. But that repitition makes it no less a fact and it will remain your opinion.