Exactly.

I think he could have been a better ball handling forward if he had stayed in England, he had terrific hands and was a great passer. There was no need to turn him into a one trick big hitting prop.

Watched Ellis the other day and he looked pretty good. As good as any back rower I've seen in the NRL over tha last few weeks. And speaking of the NRL, it was nice to see Clinton Toopi playing again and looking fit.

Huddersfield Wildcat Tigers surely?

Or maybe Castleford Bulls?

Could that be part down to coaching at international level?

I thought Ellis had a more rounded game - especially his offload game -playing for GB when he was at Leeds and he looked similar at Wakey before Leeds.

Maybe TS liked to use him for England/GB and Leeds in a way that really made the most of his core qualities but maybe didn't allow him to demonstrate some of his other skills?

Prrrrrraps and you may be onto something because, during his time at leeds, whilst a monster in defence, and a great player, I never thought he played like the ball handler he was at Wakey.

i agree he hasnt been the same at international level. I do think it isnt a bad thing for more uk players to play over there, at the least it would help the phycology of our players that they can beat them and they arnt super human. I sometimes think we are beaten before we step on the field against aussies sometimes

=#8000FFSounds spot on does that, even down to his Dads name



Good on him signing again, it's a better life out there and a better competition to play in can't blame him at all.