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| Quote ="deanos rhinos"As I said it would'nt have taken a great deal more effort for us to win this game, so the odd direction changing penalty now and again really has a major impact on the flow of the game. The holding down of Burrow is a good example, penalty, sin bin of Brough, and 6 more on the line, instead we got 1 more tackle and a rushed offload to which went to ground.'"
Far too many poor passes that missed the man today the timing was awful 1st half and at times we seemed to be panicking on every set
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| Child was also the video-ref that thought O'Loughlin was on-side for Wigan when scoring his "try" on friday night. That try was 10x more offside than the Lee Smith grand final try, and look what uproar that caused. He will soon get a very, very important desicion wrong.
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| Quote ="Hollywood Harrigan"1st time in a while Iv got a reaction off you
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Well if you trot out the same old line I was going to get bored eventually.
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| Quote ="Head High Tackle"Well if you trot out the same old line I was going to get bored eventually.'"
Its not "the same old line"... Its slightly different every time
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| Quote ="The Clan"Tevita Leo-Latu was held down in exactly the same way after making a 40 m break in the first half, no sin bin!'"
No he wasn't.
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| I'm not big ig fan of February. As a month, it's pretty diabolical with few redeeming qualities.
Still, I could be from Bradford.
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| Has anyone mentioned Danny Maguire kicking on the second tackle when we were on the Wildcats line? That annoyed the heck out of me.
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| Quote ="Head High Tackle"No he wasn't.'"
Neither was Rob Burrow
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| Quote ="The Clan"Neither was Rob Burrow'"
Erm, yeah he was.
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Erm, yeah he was.
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So was Leo-Latu
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| The main issue was consistency. Wakefield were allowed to do things Leeds couldn't. Leeds were sh*te and embarrassing, not the most intelligent team.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Neither was Rob Burrow'"
Did James Child tell you to say that?
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| Quote ="The Clan"So was Leo-Latu'"
Don't mate, you're dealing with the terminally dim in Emma it's not fair
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| Quote ="deanos rhinos"....have just returned from the game and don't know wether to laugh or cry, especially at the refs performace. I'm not saying that the ref has made us lose today because I think we were'nt that far from winning, we just needed a bit of luck. Danny, Rob and Ali all made good breaks that I believe if our confidence was higher and we'd had some luck we could have easily converted those into points. The interception did'nt either. We're not quite at the races yet, and I'm sure it will come soon, I don't want to be playing our best footy now, we can leave that until the summer.
But I would like to comment on the ref, I though he was totally out of depth and was not fair for either side, we lost the penalty count 17-7, but it's not the number of penalties that bother me (well it does a little) it's where they are on the field and if they are back to back. Wakefield had 2 back to back and scored from both, that's just bad discipline. 80m bad discipline. But he did'nt control the ruck and seemed to ping us very quickley, the one against Buderus near the end was possiblely the quickest PTB of the game. It was laughable I'd just like to see more consistancy, by treating both sides the same. There was only 1 penalty in the game for not standing square, something he chose not to police for 65 mins, then he pulled us for offside under our own posts twice in 3 sets, Brough kicked the last one. At various times at the end of the first half when we were attacking and could have scored, not 1 defender had any foot behind the line, never mind 2 feet, again something he chose not to police. My point is, to give your opponants 17 more sets in a game will make the game very hard to win, but I think not all were warrented, he did'nt penalise both sides for the same offence. He seemd to pick and chose, this is what Sinfield was pointing out and Peacock was too in the first half, he pointed to the place where Rob B. was tackled and held down by Brough in the first half, probably saving 6 points and could have been sin binned. If we don't get treated the same as other sides we are going to be on the end of some big penalty counts and will struggle to make if 4 in a row. Certain Leeds players need to get off the tackled man very quickly......or else.'"
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| Quote ="vastman"Don't mate, you're dealing with the terminally dim in Emma it's not fair
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You sad, sad excuse of a man.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"yawn
by the way how many forward passes did he miss today Leeds call it a flat pass
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No idea. We were behind the sticks, so it was impossible to tell.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"No idea. We were behind the sticks, so it was impossible to tell.'"
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| leeds constantly getting penalised for holding down is directly the fault of the coach, since he has come in the difference compared to leeds under smith a few years ago is obvious to all who watch. trying to slow the PTB at each tackle seems to be a bluey trait.better get used to being on the wrong end of the penalty count.
wakefield took their chances better today and had a better completion rate. IMO that was about the only difference.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"leeds constantly getting penalised for holding down is directly the fault of the coach, since he has come in the difference compared to leeds under smith a few years ago is obvious to all who watch. '"
2 out of 2 compared to 2 out of 4?
Quote trying to slow the PTB at each tackle seems to be a bluey trait.better get used to being on the wrong end of the penalty count.'"
We have been used to losint the penalty count for a couple of years now. Hasnt affected us too much though in the warmer months has it.
Quote wakefield took their chances better today and had a better completion rate. IMO that was about the only difference. '"
As a few Wakey fans have said on here tonight, once we sharpen up we will be hard to beat. Saints had a similar start 2 years ago and still went on to come top. 24 games to go yet.
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| Quote ="Head High Tackle"Unsurprising that you resort to personal abuse straight away.
You sad, sad excuse of a man.'"
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| i had texts from 2 leeds fans who said he was awful and my neighbour is a wakey fan and he said the same!
anyhows, it also seems to be a bluey trait we start start slowly and build up to october. a leeds first teamer told me he likes this approach and they do a lot of fitness work during the season.
the first month of the season always throws up odd results,teams are at differant stages of fitness, grounds are poor, referees always seem to be stricter. come march/april things will have settled down.
i have every faith that come play off time we will be firing on all cylinders.
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| Quote ="(Broken) Time Bandit"We were out-coached, out-thought and out-played. It really is that simple.
A disappointing game, made all the more arduous by having to stand near some of the most ignorant (of the rules) and, sadly, loud, fans of our team.
Rather than worrying about officials, we should be worrying about our performances (if there really is any need to worry this early).
Have Wakey had refs on their side so far this season? Hull? Warrington? Wigan? I suspect not, they've played well. We need to start.
P.S. as I left the ground I texted the Mrs and told her there'd be a thread on here about the ref.....'"
Top post. Leeds fans complaining about the ref because they've lost, welcome to the club.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Big daft lads etc etc
It might not be their call either, if they've been given a game plan that involves trying to slow down the PTB and turn each tackle into a wrestle (as commented on this afternoon) then individuals out on the pitch might not want to make their own call about changing that game plan.'"
Granted but game plans need to be flexible.If you are constantly getting pinged for an offence then if the players are not quick enough to realise then the coaching team need to be.
In this league now you cannot afford to have 17-7 penalty counts as more times than not you are going to get beat.
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| Quote ="(Broken) Time Bandit"We were out-coached, out-thought and out-played. It really is that simple.
A disappointing game, made all the more arduous by having to stand near some of the most ignorant (of the rules) and, sadly, loud, fans of our team.
Rather than worrying about officials, we should be worrying about our performances (if there really is any need to worry this early).
Have Wakey had refs on their side so far this season? Hull? Warrington? Wigan? I suspect not, they've played well. We need to start.
P.S. as I left the ground I texted the Mrs and told her there'd be a thread on here about the ref.....'"
take a bow son, honesty and truthful
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| Quote ="cheekydiddles"I agree but it would be great if all the Refs controlled the game the same way week in week out,but they don't with each one appearing to have their own things they tend to over police whether it be offside,ptb or how many seconds they will allow the tackled player to lay on before shouting move.
Last week for example Ian Smith was allowing some very slow play the balls but today by comparison Child almost seemed to want immediate roll away so neither we or the players know where they are one week to the next.
Whatever people may think of todays Ref a 17-7 penalty count is not good enough and players need to adapt much quicker to the style of the ref in any given game and quickly learn what he is and isn't letting you get away with.'"
This is what I always find myself saying about players from any team. Ref's are very inconsistent and as you say don't all penalise for the same offences.
I think Child was a bit generous in our favour in the first half but as you say players should learn faster and if a ref is penalising for slowing down the PTB then they need to learn to roll away quicker.
As for the OP I think you need to watch your own players when defending your line as none of them had feet behind the line either, as most teams don't but it is one offence that ref's hardly ever seem to penalise yet it must be one of the easiest to spot.
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