It was free for Blue Badge holders.

I know Grendal you have a personal axe to grind against the Crusaders, since their move from south Wales, but the excuse of 'stewards didn't know what to do' doesn't and shouldn't wash these days. The acid test of a ground and its staff shouldn't come with it jammed to the rafters, like it was on Friday night. That's basically like throwing the keys to a test pilot of a new plane with 500 paying passengers already sat in the back of it ....

- It didn't take a rocket scientist to work out that there was going to be a decent crowd there, you just needed to read the paper in the 10 days leading up to the game

- The lessons of Hillsborough, Ibrox, Burnden Park, Heysel and St Andrews should have been well learned by now. The stewarding at games is not an excuse to wear an orange jacket and watch the game, with the role comes responsibility and it is one of the main reasons why the police are no longer seen inside stadia in sizeable numbers any more. Given that even the RL safety officers have their own body and meeting ground, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility to pick up the phone and ask for help in how to deal with the biggest crowd in the area for years.

- I suggest whoever is responsible for briefing the stewards before the ground was opened (assuming there actually was one) needs to take a long, hard look at the sort of information given out.

It is a good job that the Leeds fans are a fairly well behaved mob .... It is interesting to see that the next visitors are our old friends from the black & white side of Hull and a team who's support has a less-than-friendly reputation. If there is a repeat of the shambles we saw last Friday night, then there is the potential for a very serious problem with our fishy friends in town.

I've already brought the matter to the attention of the regulating authority for the ground and trust that they will be dilligent in taking the matter further with Wrexham FC and the Crusaders.

I've not got an axe to grind against the club or some sort of Widnes-esque agenda against them, however I have an adversion to someone putting me (and the many people around me's) safety and welfare at risk, through what appears to be a shortfall in some very important systems.

I've also subsequently learned that several hundred fans were locked outside the ground ... Is this true ? Did they have tickets ?

According to League Express, 300 fans were locked out.
Suggested that they did not have tickets.
I saw no trouble inside or outside the ground despite the large crowd or the icy conditions.
My group was in the Yale Rd upper stand opposite the 20 metre line so can't comment on the issues highlighted by the Admiral.

As someone who has been to a number of FC games as a neutral both home and away I'd say that's verging on the libellous.

I've seen plenty of Leeds fans whose standards of behaviour leave a lot to be desired both home and away - to paint the Rhinos support (and a large part of its travelling support) as angels in comparison to FC fans is way wide of the mark IMO.

I'd agree with that.

I would suggest the police presence at Leeds v Hull compared to police presence at any other game suggest the police see Hull's travelling support as the worst

Leeds fans are definately no angels though

Or, more likely, that a Leeds vs Hull fixture carries a higher risk.

That's not he same thing as Hull's away fans are worse.

In my opinion a Leeds and Hull fixture attracts plenty of bell ends from both cities, but said bell ends quite probably don't attend many other fixtures.

Certainly games at the well segregated KC seem to bring out the worst in the "Barmy Army", who wouldn't consider behaving in the same way towards home fans at most other grounds where they don't have the same protection.

I think the issue with the Leeds v Hull FC and the Hull FC v Leeds fixtures, as Puig has pointed out, is that it attracts a high 'bell-end' quotient, more so (I would suggest) then any other fixture in SL. I think that has to do with the 'bell-ends' who would also see themselves as Leeds United and Hull City supporters (because 95% of the support of both those clubs think they are also bell-ends and not supporters).

This is therefore their only current regular opportunity to have a 'bell-end' day out in each other cities and try to out 'bell-end' each other.

Hull, like most other port town/cities in the UK, does seem to have a very slightly higher 'bell-end' quotient than other towns/cities and suspect this is just the historic demographic nature of towns/cities that are ports.

I also think that the KC, being a multi-use stadium suffers from the rules required of it by the FA. As such, although we are not formally segregated (at this or any other ground) we do naturally segregate ourselves. At other grounds this segregation is informally applied and there is no physical barrier in the stadium layout that has been specifically designed as such. At the KC there is a designed barrier between the away fans end and the rest of the ground. Unfortunately, because we don't then formally segregate, the small number of Hull 'bell-ends' position themselves purposely as close to that barrier as possible. I think that brings out the worst in our fans as a whole, as well as the 'bell-ends', and hence the issue with this fixture in general.

I am not a fan of unreserved seating at matches,it's just asking for problems in my opinion and it sounds like there were many last friday. Each seat and ticket have an aisle and seat number and everyone should be told to sit in that seat and that seat only. Problem solved.

doesnt work at elland road...

It wasn't the black and whites that smashed the windows on our coach two seasons ago . It was the other fishy ones .
It was , however , the B&Ws that we caught bullying a 63 yr old man and his grandson in the alley at the back of West Terrace same season . Doubt if those 'fans' will return to HQ after that

Ten or so 18/19 yr olds (guessing ages) picking on an old grandad and his lil lad . We couldn't stand by and watch now could we .
Same goes for the Rhinos 'fans' having a go at a large (mainly junior) group of Wigan fans outside Suporters club last year . I just walked in the middle and told the Leeds 'fans' to shut the fk up .

Hooligans everywhere you look .
Keep the banter , Lose the fisticuffs .

What are you? a NY subway vigilante?

You must have the best collection of Bongo ever.

Its mainly churn related, obviously, but I've sampled a few other genres.

Thanks for the info.

Sorry to bother you but where was all the away fans in the ground?
Which is the best place to get tickets for if you are a away fan?
Also on there website you can get family ticket really cheap, but is the family section away from the atmosphere etc?
Thanks Andy

The Yale Stand appears to be the designated away stand. I bought mine from the Wrexham FC website where you can even pick your seat but it means diddly when you get there unless they've changed their ways. I selected seats in the Yale Stand Centre/Upper but ended up pitchside near the corner flag. Still a good day out though!

I am not a vigilante by any means . I am more than able to take care of myself of course , I just can't abide bullies . It ain't in my nature to stand by or walk away .
Be thankful for people like me . One of these days it might be you in trouble . Would you want me to walk away ?

I think you've watched Taxi Driver too many times.

Should we start calling you Charlie "B"??

Or would that just be a Death Wish??

You talkin to me?

All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.