Given that in terms of where carnegie are expected to finish in their league, it might be more relevant to compare their attendances with those of, say, Salford. In that context 6k is reasonable.

I too wish them all the best.
It benefits the whole city if all its sporting clubs are successful - RL,RU, Football and Cricket. That's the reason I find it hard to comprehend the delight some folk on here take in the failure of any of them.
By all means don't go along to watch and/or support them financially but don't knock them or those who do go along.
I had a freebie to go to watch the Tykes yesterday (by virtue of my YCCC membership) but my sunny back garden held more attractions.
The scoreline vindicated my decision.

the ru have been trying to destroy RL for almost 115 years.
thats the problem i have with them

I have met a number of people, or overheard a number, who have been to Carnegie, all have been on freebies. I have no problem with it but wonder what the attendance would be without them. I work with a bloke who works for England Rugby (sic), he went the first game this year, says he's never going again it was so bad.

I know all that but we all need to move on from that.
I guess you don't buy Scottish, French, Irish, German, Italian, Japanese goods and products, nor visit them as holiday destinations, since they have all been at war with us and tried to destroy the nation at various times over the past centuries.

RU are still trying to close us down

I never really get Rugby Union, it just seems like an excuse for sweaty grown men (some overweight and with access Vaseline) to climb on top of each other whilst raking each others backs and other limbs in a passion filled frenzy whilst making sure the one at the bottom releases.

I never got it, but after reading this post I'm going to start playing it.

Are they really? Or are they just competing in the same market place?

if thats the case why give them a selling pitch in our hq

Are you seriously concerned that, at the local level in Leeds, the RU club can harm our market share?

That too is my impression, it doesn't fit with the agenda's of some, but there you are.

In what specific way ?

i just have to listen to messrs iain robertson , brian moore. and that journalist who makes a living writing anti league lies and bias Stephen Jones

I see, and you believe that those dinosaurs with very old and entrenched personal beliefs are representative of the whole of the English Rugby Union do you ?

There are people who still believe that Superleague was a bad thing, that we should still play through the winter, and that Featherstone and Dewsbury should be as far south as the game should go - do you think that those people represent your views too ?

Have you ever spoken to a coach at a rugby union club ?

Using a rational and objective view point, you are quite correct. However, 115 years of persecution (perhaps a little strong but, hey the hatred runs deep) is very difficult to clear away.

For what it's worth, I couldn't really give a toss about Leeds Carnegie or any other RU club for that matter. Its a morally bankrupt sport that could only be made interesting if played by 30 naked glamour models (oh, the irony).

Somebody is interested.

4/9/09 Sharks 15 - 12 Tigers 8,751
5/9/09 Saracens 18 - 14 L Irish 67,684
6/9/09 Saints 20 - 17 Worcester 12,073
6/9/09 Leeds 9 - 9 Falcons 7,144
6/9/09 Gloucester 24 - 5 Bath 12,815

The hostility ran pretty deep for a great many years so whilst I'd expect attitudes to be changing and younger administrators to show alot of respect for their rival code, I'm equally sure there is plenty of hostility still present. Give it another 20 years and it should be gone completely.

Not that that's of any relevance to a discussion on the merits of Leeds Carnegie though.

was that the one at wembley? If so there were NEVER 68k there.

Mr Jones has been on good behaviour for a litttle while, been sticking to the subject he knows most by

It was Twickenham, and I can't claim to have counted every person in the ground.

Yeah, there will have been some in the bar or toilets when you did their section.

As you know, I'm involved in a small way at a local RU club which runs ten teams in all age groups and has a range of RU-qualified coaching staff from enthusiastic fathers helping out to dyed-in-the-wool ex-playing members, none of whom fit the mould of chinless wonder rah-rahs, all of whom use rugby league as the blueprint for set piece moves and defending.

There is a hell of a lot of respect for RL in the Union game and I have yet to hear anyone wish for its demise.

Not that any of that suits the arguments of the oppressed victims point of view of course.

Would you think the same would be true of union clubs in their heartlands (or more accurately non RL heartlands)?

If when making meeting small talk round the country I find I'm in conversation with RU folk its a pretty mixed response. Some watch a bit on Sky and have plenty of admiration for the game but there are also plenty who are at best dismissive.

The facts speak for themselves

Leeds Yawnions have now played 240 minutes of rugby

and scored 2 tries

In any mans book thats one try every 120 minutes,

Kick & clap rugby - period