Your kidding right?

That complete control we had and shape, was because of Buderus starting, not inspite of it.

He got us on a role with the type of dummy half play we have been missing all season, and Diskin managed to integrate with ease when coming on because of it. However, once half time came it stopped the momentum. Diskin was still on for start of second half and straight away a poor pass from dummy half, and we are on the back foot. McGuire was not on at that stage, and did not come on until 10 minutes into the second half.

McGuire was awfull, and played a big part in our structure going down hill, but Diskin was equally as bad in that second period.

Where have I said that anything was in spite of Buderus rather than because of him?

The point I was making, and which you seem to be too judging by your last paragraph, is that the structure disappeared completely with McGuire's introduction in the last 30 mins.

Dummy halves don't dictate what happens once the ball leaves their hands. Buderus made hay off the back of some good running angles from the forwards, enabling players to find the floor and get quick play the balls. This gave time and space for Sinfield and Burrow to put some width on the game and allow the left hand side to create mayhem.

In the second half all that shape and organisation disappeared with McGuire's introduction and it was back to five drives in behind the ruck. That enabled Catalans to get numbers in the tackle every time and slow the play the ball down to the point where whoever was at dummy half looked ineffective.

Whilst i completely agree mcguire is lacking form to completely blame him for structure issue's when he came on is way ott imo.
When he was introduced the momentum had already changed in catalans favour and the french pack were on top,the kicking was mostly done by sinfield and burrow and the french tries came on the back of a poor diskin pass to kirke,smith and his inside man misreading elima's run and the 3rd was down to burgess and peacock being caught flat-footed.
I agree we looked better structured when mcguire was still on the bench but that had as much to do with what the pack and buderus were doing rather than mcguire not been there.

Thats what I like to see. An opinion.

And good point too.

Still think McGuire spoilt us, but your right to say he is not the sole reason.

Drop Matt Diskin for the Castleford Tigers match and give the Danny Buderus and Paul McShane combination a go i say, I believe the two styles can compliment each other unlike that of Buderus & Diskin...

You're right. I seem to agree with most of what you say (unless my old memory is failing me

)...saves me the bother of having to contribute much.

Tend to agree with other comments too about poor old McGuire looking out of sorts. He seems to be trying too much to do something off the cuff...

Keep Sinfield at SO and McGuire on the bench.(or in the centre...alongside Smith at left centre.....and Keith in the second row.

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lawrie, there is nothing to suggest that he is still not in his prime, he would have played in the world cup barring injury!

you hve shown yourself up a little in this thread!

you have the same dislike for diskin as i do for buderus!!

It was always going to take him time to settle in, it's the same in any job, it takes time to get used to how your new collegues work.

I agree with the earlier poster stating there was a noticable difference when Buderus was on the field, he's simply a cut above Diskin, and he's only going to get better.

Not true, I rate Diskin but he isn't in the same class as Danny Buderus and we have 1 World Class, 1 Super League Class and 1 Very Promising Hooker in our squad, so we have to try not damage Paul McShanes progress so if he isn't going to play then maybe a Loan could be an option?...

Diskin and Buderus are both seventy minute plus number nines. That is where all the 'what now for Diskin?' questions came from after the Buderus' signing was announced last year.

As Buderus reaches match fitness and sharpness it makes less and less sense having Diskin in the seventeen except for the general lack of available forward options.

It takes time for an overseas player to settle into a new enviroment both on and off the field. I think Buderus is finally getting there.Might be a while before he gets invited to Sinfields house for his tea though.

I couldn't agree more, i have a high regard for Diskin when he's bang on form, but he will sadly never be in the same class as Buderus is, so which player is going to get the majority of game time when it comes to the big games when both are fully fit, or are both players going to be in the 17?

Will the player omitted from the starting 13 be a compliment to the side on the bench, or will they be taking a spot better served by an extra prop/second row?

I personally havn't seen enough proof of how the side will be better served with both players in the 17 each week, although i'm not saying that it can't work, i personally believe that we are weaker in the go forward department when we have two nines in the squad

Could we ever envisage the scenario that Bluey could leave one of them out of the 17 entirely in the GF if we made it?

Broughton was loaned to Hull (is he still there?). It hasn't made that much difference to his 1st team experience. Played in a home defeat to Wakefield and hasn't featured since with Hull preferring Graeme Horne on the wing.

I'd look to send McShane to Featherstone (if Powell was willing) for the rest of the season and take Jon Fallon in exchange to have a look at him in SL with Leeds.

That would be a good idea if it could happen a good Coach who knows how to bring Young lads on, To leave him playing in the Reserve Academy isn't doing much for his career IMO and a Loan out to the Co-operative Championship in a competitive side which also happens to be local would help him out alot...

Don't agree with dropping diskin and bringing in mcshane. I personally and i doubt many others know how well he is playing, and i think suddenly dropping diskin would majorly disrupt the team. I think Mcshane is a real Gem that like Watkins should be carefully developed. I don't think throwing him into the deep end will help. There is plenty of time. If Diskin continues this run of bad form yes very well bring in mcshane but not ATM imo.

Why do you dislike Buderus?

Thought buderus played well we are seeing what he can do. If he keeps playing well and play like he does in the origin games he will have been a good buy for the club.

If Buderus is going to play for long spells as we know he can, it's hardly throwing McShane in at the deep end by giving him 20 mins a game.

How is McShane going to prove he can cut it at SL level without playing SL?

If that was to happen then Diskin might as well look for a new club?

Life is hard, isn't it.

In an ideal world he'd stay, leaving us with a Diskin McShane tandem for 2011.

Nobody is suggesting playing McShane every week just yet are they?

I am certainly not, just pointing out that it's difficult to get experience without playing.

2011 is only a season and a half away. what do we do then if we don't have Buderus or Diskin? Buy another top class aussie hooker to spell with McShane?

What are Saints going to do without Cunningham?

Roby's only been in the team as regular for two full seasons. He's got his experience from playing. Next year he will be Saints number 9.

Funny because if McShane was Buderus number 2 for next two seasons, it would be a similar situation.