Come in TVOC.

agreed.
people acting like were the worst team in SL, we can't be doing too much wrong if were 2nd in the league.

Is that it? You think Bluey is a tactical genius who has built on what Smith achieved? He even used the Smith blueprint to beat Saints in the last GF, unfortunately for him, the DNA left over from the Smith era is starting to disapate?

And you call me a dick!!

yep,thats about it

Another great point for debate ... how many penalty counts have we actually won this season?

Without any stats, my gut feeling is we have lost the majority?

This lack of discipline is hurting us, the coach has publically stated it's a priority to fix this but the players are showing massive frustration with referees on the field.

Is this paranoia coming from the top down, could it be McClennan encouraging an "everyone is against us" mentality that is backfiring?

Another example of this is how quickly Bentham seems to be taking on the "public enemy No 1" tag at Headingley .... instantly replacing Klein.

Bluey came out last season and said that we had "just" managed to peak at the right time after that horrid mid season slump and turn it into another GF win.

He also said this season that we were going to peak "at the right time" that to me is the end of the season, where it matters.

Il trust the coach and players for now, rather than the rabid masses to accomplish this.

yep! as i said earlier, in bluey we trust

We has shown how to peak at the right time in previous seasons and St Helens haven't therefore i am confident...

LOL @ this.

I don't have the full penalty count for the away fixture at Warrington but here are the ten Leeds games so far with counts, (Penalties awarded to Leeds stated first.)

6-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 03 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Celtic Crusaders ….. Ben Thaler ….. 7 ….. 5
13-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 01 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wakefield Trinity Wildcats ….. Steve Ganson ….. 11 ….. 11
20-Feb-09 ….. 14 - 02 ….. Hull KR V Leeds Rhinos ….. Phil Bentham ….. 5 ….. 12
1-Mar-09 ….. WC - Final ….. Leeds Rhinos V Manly Sea Eagles ….. Jason Robinson ….. 14 ….. 13
8-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 04 ….. Warrington Wolves V Leeds Rhinos ….. Steve Ganson ….. ?? ….. 7
13-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 05 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Wigan Warriors ….. Ian Smith ….. 6 ….. 6
20-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 06 ….. St Helens V Leeds Rhinos ….. Phil Bentham ….. 6 ….. 9
27-Mar-09 ….. 14 - 07 ….. Leeds Rhinos V Les Catalans ….. Ben Thaler ….. 10 ….. 9
5-Apr-09 ….. CC - 04 ….. Leeds Rhinos V St Helens ….. Phil Bentham ….. 8 ….. 9
10-Apr-09 ….. 14 - 08 ….. Bradford Bulls V Leeds Rhinos ….. Ian Smith ….. 6 ….. 12

That appears to be 3 wins 2 even and 4 losses from the nine available. Warrington away - Steve Ganson - you decide if that makes the count look better or worse.

Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.

Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.

Quote ="Maverick Rhino"Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.'" As suspected.

Quote ="Maverick Rhino"Let me assist there ... 7-4 to Warrington (source: www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sea ... Rhinos_20/) So we've only won a third of the penalty counts so far ... the evidence confirms an issue then.'" As suspected.

Not so sure there is too much they can do in that regards.

I dont want to sound paranoid, but a typical example was last night.

Bradford were in the Leeds half, and were playing the ball 8 meters inside the half way line, 2 metres short of the 40 line. Leeds were lined up clearly on the replay on the 30 metre line. You dont have to be good at Maths to work out that is 12 metres back. 10 metres to be onside, yet Leeds were penalised for offiside.

I have no doubt a couple of players stepped in front of Smith, but they were clearly taken 12 metres back, not 10. Yet penalized.

Oh and anothe penatly was for the technicality of the Burrow no try. I need clarification on this, but I was told by a nerdy nut at my gym this morning who has databases on all this poop, that the last time on his records that that offence was pulled was in 1982.

Like I said, dont want to sound paranoid, but I dont see what the players can do to stop those two examples.

Have you seen the size of Bradford's pitch? I'd be suprised if they were even 10 meters back, let alone 12.

Don't let the whitewash fool you...

Thanks for that. I don't keep the penalty count religiously as it were so there's always liable to be the odd gap here and there but that will do nicely.

Hurts when it happens to you for a change, doesn't it? And yes, as I'm sure you would have told us had the positions been reversed (as has been the case all too often of late), you DO sound paranoid...

I cant argue if you are saying the lines are not 10 metres. But in scale to what the lines were meant to be it was 12 metres.

I presume the officials look to the lines though, and if so Smith got that one badly wrong.

In the interest of fairness, Bradford's pitch is now only a couple of metres or so short of the full 100m - it was extended several years ago. It is also pretty wide.

Hang on a minute Adey. I am not talking specifically about last night in the whole. I have not mentioned the silly video ref desions, hopefully that will be put to bed and it finally puts behind us Millenium Magic.

Whas I was sepcifically talking about was Leeds discipline, and the conceeding of penalties. I pointed out two specific incidents last night that were wrong, as an example as to, how can the players improve that.

They should bring back the upturned corners...

Was Smith one sided in his officiating?

It generally didn't appear that way to me. More analysis is needed if you want to give a balanced view based on the whole 80 minutes rather than a one-sided snapshot taken here and there.

Ask your mate at the gym it sounds like he'd know.

Sorry then - I misunderstood - assumed from what you said that you were on about "biased" referees, in the mould of Bradford fans over recent years!



One thing I noted from the replay - you had the timing of coming off the completed tackle down to perfection. Two seconds (almost aways) after Smith shouted "held", he shouted "move!". Pretty well always three seconds after that, your guys moved. To the nanosecond. Every time. About one nanosecond short of ranking for a penalty. I said elsewhere that that is something we should learn from, cos your discipline there seemed superb.

In answer to your question, yes I would say he was one sided, in relation to the offiside ruling, and a fair 10 metres.

However that is irrelevant. What I was asking is, pointing out the specific decision last night about 4 minutes into second half. How can the players stop that from happening in the future? Other than going even further than 12 metres back which would be stupid.

And its not the first time this season, it happend twice at Hull KR earlier in the season. Pulled for offiside despite been more than the required 10 metres back.

And Smith never pinged Bradford in the exact same way at any time during the 80 minutes?

Not according to the Sky Sports coverage unless my ears were deceiving me when Clarke made the self same comment you've just made only with the boot firmly on the other foot.