Bailey himself took one only a few weeks ago by Briscoe at HKR, I can't remember anyone on here bleating about it.

I'd love to see him play against Willy Mason again, there's some major fireworks for you!

Briscoe was a lot lower there was no reason for any interpretation of the rules

if it was in the NRL it would be borderline. agreed his head was coming down, but if the tackle is deemed to be a shoulder charge it is the players responsibility where his shoulder lands, regardless of whether the player is ducking or falling. all would depend on whether it was deemed to be a shoulder charge (not raising the arm of failing to bend the arm at the elbow is usually how this is judged to be the case). the rule was changed in interests of safety and shoulder charges have been banned in youth rugby in oz,which i think they should be here. kids dont learn anything from it, its usually just someone showboating.

i was involved in a game last year where our player made shoulder charge tackle which hit the attackers chest, both their head went forwards and both were knocked clean out and split their faces open around their eyes. we dont want to see that at any level. even if it does later make funny viewing on film...

some people do get carried away. He had one of his better games and stood out in our pack.

Danny Ward has a GF ring and was picked by a top coach. You're not automatically a top player if you play in a winning team.

Bailey is a good squad player who has things he could work on, penalities and go forward being one but his aggression in defence, fitness, quick play of the ball for his reported salary make him a good bit of business.

Nothing wrong with the hit btw.

Well..Danny Ward had other "issues"

I agree with most of your post but why use Ward as a negative example? In 2004 he was emerging into one of the best props in the league. hence his representative honours.

Ward thoroughly deserved his GF ring, had a great year and went on to the pinnacle of the sport. Just like Bailey btw. They were not "carried along" by the rest of the great 2004 team, they were an integral part of it. In fact, that mantle probably belonged to Barrie, reaching the back end of his career.

Agree to disagree on this one .

You used bailey as a positive example

hence I brought up Ward. Rings mean nothing when judging a players ability other than they were part of a championship team that year.

Smith has rep honours but you keep saying you think he should leave Leeds now he's proved his doubters wrong. Off topic I personally don't think Bailey has proved his doubters wrong with the same conviction that Smith has. Again agree to disagree.

Back on topic I think its ok for fans to doubt bailey, he doesn't always play like he did the other day which is more frustrating in my book.

I'm not sure. I posted something similar on the ridiculously long Bailey thread. I just think they're still bitter over something that happens in October at OT.

I think The Black Adrian Morley has more than proved himself. He's been a regular for 6 years minus 9 months and in that time he's been selected by Darryl Powell, Tony Smith, Brian Noble and Brian McClennan.

At last....

Its only taken them a week.



not bitter and twisted at all..what an embarrasment.

Ward was a great player in 2004, and carried our pack for much of 2005. He has had other issues which have prevented him from improving. Ability is not the problem with him.

Danny they are only SL and international coaches what do they know ffs.
Get a grip man.

Fair enough but I vehemently believe that Ward was one of the best props in the game in 2004 and 2005. Which prop from 2004 do you think had the bigger impact i the Grand Final, Ward or McDermott? If we can't judge a player on success in his domestic team or representative honours achieved I am at a loss as to how we can judge him.

No I don't. Link please.

I think Smith is a fantastic player and hope he stays. What I have said is he is not irreplaceable. He's 2nd choice full back and BJB is in the wings. I don;t think he's a better winger than Donald and Hall is adequate. It remains to be seen what his contribution will be at centre. Therefore, we should not break the bank or try and compete with any outlandish alleged union offers. I have also tried to inject some balance into the debate of people who will slate a player in poor form and hail him as Lewis Jones after several decent performances. Can you understand the difference between that and "he should leave"?

Agree to disagree. I think being a mainstay of our pack for seven hugely successful seasons means he has little if anything to prove.

Agreed. No player does. Just like Smith hasn't always hit the vein of form he showed at full back in the last seven games he played there.

I cant believe the straw clutching about Bailey being picked for international honours. He had a half decent first game, then was absolute garbage and was dropped quicker than he was by Paul Sculthorpe

Interesting to see the stupidity isnt limited to the Saints fans alone..... Potter not happy www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/ma ... -faasavalu

Interesting to see the stupidity isnt limited to the Saints fans alone..... Potter not happy www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/ma ... -faasavalu

Quote ="DoubleAone"Interesting to see the stupidity isnt limited to the Saints fans alone..... Potter not happy www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/ma ... -faasavalu'" didnt expect him to come out and say Maurie got owned did you?!

Quote ="DoubleAone"Interesting to see the stupidity isnt limited to the Saints fans alone..... Potter not happy www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/ma ... -faasavalu'" didnt expect him to come out and say Maurie got owned did you?!

[i"Apparently you are allowed to hit blokes 'accidentally' on the head," said the Saints coach, Mick Potter. "It's a real issue for me that you can get away with that."[/i

I think he's referring to Sean Long here.

I hope so or it just proves he is a bigger hypocrit than the rest of the fans...

You really are an idiot aren't ya? Love to see ya say it to bailey's face. That i'd pay to see! Ha

same TS who picked him for national honours?? Lets not get carried away with someones performances because they play in a Leeds shirt.

Baileys ambition should be to take his game to next level and assume JP's role at Leeds and in the national team.

Your right. He does a good job for Leeds, but there is still plenty more to come