What bollox. He just lay flat on him and took the punches in the back from Gilmour who was, it has to be said, pretty damn fired up.

just because a punch doesn't connect, doesn't mean that the intent wasn't there. its like deciding a ban on how bad an injury your cause.

was a awful call by bentham/touch judge. gilmour should have got 10 at least

And what's with Gilmour's hair pulling tactic.
Bentham consistently misses stuff like that and in the end it boils over.

Watch it again

Lee Smith is an absolute 2 @ though, lets be fair. I don't know how anyone manages to keep their temper when he's around. His reaction to Bailey's hit was like watching a kid on the playground.

Don't be soft. Wilkin helped to diffuse the situation as it was just at that moment (given that it all blew up again shortly after). Don't forget to say thank you to Mr Wilkin for saving your little Mr Smith from what might have been a few more bruises to important body parts.


Was an extremely wise call by the ref. Were you at Knowsley Road for the match? If not then you maybe can be forgiven for not understanding the temperature in the ground at that time but if you were then you have no excuse for recommending Bentham bins only one of the two players involved. Smith clearly started it by punching out and then Gilmour reacted (well, over-reacted actually). If it was going to be a binning then both would have been binned, not just Gilmour. Is that what you wanted? And what would that have done to the temperature in the ground? Would things have slipped out of control? A bit of biff is one thing, an all out fight that threatens the match is something else entirely.

I thought Bentham handled it very well indeed. And I say that still wanting Bailey to have been sent off for a high tackle in the face on Faz. He still handled everything very well.

again its the intent, not the actually damage you do. temperature in the ground/on the pitch has f*ck all to do with the rules. its not a kids game, or a mess about on the park, the ref is there to call the rules, not to decide 'what's best'*

smith didn't punch out, he pushed out. big difference, and after having his hair pulled, given a facial and saints trying to slow the ball down. it was a fairly normal reaction (not saying it was correct or what we should have in our game), that's normally ignored and play continues. gilmour then throws 5/6 punches at a player still on his knee's. yet has nothing done to him, yeh wise call




* on that note, what the hell was with bentham's "you're going in with too much force" to bailey legal challenge on wilkin

Were you actually at the match, Gilmour roughed Smith up a bit and Smith wanted to fight over it. so Gilmour obliged.
Also Wilkin was face down on the ground and cheap shot Bailey comes down with shoulder and elbow on the back of his neck.
Thats the problem with Leeds when the going gets tough they try rough house tactics and then there game plan dissapears.
What I would like to see from Bailey is to see him come in as the first tackler and flatten somebody below neck level.
Baileys favourite technique is coming in as 3rd tackler when the other 2 have held up the player, a bit like Graham showed on Bailey late in the game.

Like the last 2 grand finals you mean?

Your only as good as your last game.

Saints have won 65 trophies against Leeds Paltry 21....come back when when you have some equality.

Who is Biff and why did he go?

Maybe he was in that bush with me that time...

Thats dangerous talk when we have tvoc in our armoury



Where did you draw your line and why ?

How's Mary by the way?

Again fluent bollox smith pushes gilmour after getting a facial from the sh#t house.
Gilmour then comes the hardman and start's throwing punches while wilkin is on top of him!!
Roll on the cup match oh and 2 words for hard nut gilmour terry newton!!!

In your opinion

What makes you say this?

no, couldn't make it over in time. so watched it on the tv, so probably got a lot better look then you. try watching a replay, you'll see gilmour all over him, smith trys to push him out the way too play the ball, gilmour then swing 5/6 unnecessary punches. if smith wanted to fight, why did he throw no punches??

again go watch a reply, wilkin is laying on his back. bailey drops the shoulder into wilkings chest/shoulder.

indeed, after the going got rough, it was leeds who conceded a try with in minutes :rolleyes:

even if bailey was 3rd man in every tackle, so what. it shows that he works hard, likes to help his team mates out, and that no one must like running straight at him/near him. just ask mary

I think that Bailey will get a ban this week.

You only had to see the damage to that Saints players face to see he went into his face.

I thought he could have got a red card !

Special mention to Superman, who got a good few digs in when that kicked off, keep up the good work Brent.

What's the matter? Didn't my reposte fit with your agenda?



He's fine. Booked in at 9am this morning for new front teeth.

Don't think fool. Based on this drivel you need to concentrate all your brain power on gettting to the toilet before it's too late and making sure you don't drool in public.
Even the Stains fans aren't such big fools - they haven't b!tched about the tackle at all. Let me guess - you ain't from Stains you are from a team that hasn't won Jack and is embarrased 3 times a year by them.
Am I right fool. Actually don't answer, think about making it to the toilet in time.

The only thing I would be worried about is that teams seem able to suck Leeds into this type of play, especially when they are losing! It seems no coincidence that both Leeds' losses this year have followed "fights" on the pitch.

the niggle, and biff actually got us back into the game, rather than lost us it

whats all this whining about coming in third man?! if a player for my team just stood there and watched two team mates trying to wrestle someone up id go mental. players are taught to come in 3rd man, and like wise players are taught to 'open up' a player for the 3rd man to come in and complete the tackle.

if anyones complaining about things boiling over, go and watch football instead. i want to see my RL played with fire, passion and intensity, played within inches of the laws of the game. I accept that means players are gonna cross the line from time to time.

baileys bad rep comes more from just generally being dirty when its not neeeded, ie when leeds are running riot. theres just no need. thats why fans of other teams hate him...

No its' not, its' because he's black and you and the other idiots are racist.

Unless, of course you have any specific incidents of him generally being dirty you'd care to share? You know, examples of red cards or even yellow cards for foul play, that sort of thing.

There's nothing wrong with third man in, at all. But Graham's only hit on Bailey came in this form. Hardly showing him a thing or two is it? He's static, held by two others, and then Graham pops up and knocks him down. Compare that to the Bailey shot on Maurie. Which is the better hit? If Graham felt the need to settle a score, he could have gone one on one with the big man, in attack or defense, but he chose not to. I'll let you work that one out for yourself.

If you want to see rugby which is hard, firey and with passion, you shouldn't mind Bailey's rough stuff. His 'track record' isn't like most made out. Players can't handle his style, and if they can't get on top of him, they'll moan about him, which transfers through to the supporters. With Bailey being officially, 'the most feared man in Super League' comes these situations. It's easier to continue to de-rail someone than to look through objective eyes and hold your hands up and say 'I was wrong'.