tvoc, as you were with the Scott Donald issue on the other thread, you're spot on again old lad.

lets not forget that webb has had a long and serious injury and he is still yet not fit.
there must be a slight doubt that he may not be the same player when he returns.

Donald has a pea for a heart? Did you post any such views last year before Donald was asked to switch positions for the benefit of the team? Smith brings more to the table than Webb? Did you post any of this before Webb's injury allowed Smith a game in the number 1 jersey at the GF? IIRC all posts on here before the GF were that we were doomed because of Webb's injury. Please feel free to direct me to a post where you corrected people and said Smith would bring more to the table than Webb?

Of course, its' opinions and we're all entitled to them.

However, mine are based on more than just the last 6 games. Webb's injured and Donald has been switched to a different position to try and benefit the team at the detriment of his own form.

Yet whino revisionism has Smith better than both these players despite that fact that just one season ago he couldn't maintain a regular place in the team.

I think Smith is a great player. A valuable member of the team. I hope we retain him...........but get real people.

Smith = Inverse Bailey

i thought senior was our MOM last night

I probably ripped off one of your posts from last week.





Re watch last year's Final Eliminator and see if you can find something that Webb does far better than anyone else in the currently fit and available squad? And that includes Lee Smith, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Kevin Sinfield and Rob Burrow.

Ali surely...

spot on mate

Sublime or what.

I'm not sure what you mean there. Are you praising or baggin him?

I'm pointing out to DISA (who claims Webb doesn't do anything that Smith doesn't do) something that Webb does far better than anyone else in the team when asked to.

Any better?

Seriously, and you have a go at others for knee jerk reactions.



What is clearly stated in that quote is that in a couple of those 6 games, Smith probably brought more to the table than Webb could have.

Now where does that quote fit in to what your frothing at the mouth post states?

Considering Smith has 4 Man of Matches (for Leeds) now in those 6 games you talk about, I would think what I stated is far nearer the truth than what you have stated, regardless of opinions.

In relation to the Donald situation, I dont feel a need to point to critisisms of him, because I was not critisizing him. I genually do feel he has a pea for heart, and does not show enough bottle at times, but that does not take away from what he is in the team for, which is finishing. If he did have more bottle, IMO he would score even more tries than he currently has, which would be a fantastic record.

See post above, Don't fall for frothing at the mouth knee jerk reactions of others. Read posts fully.

Much better. Can't rember the specifics of the game from him though, but in general as a player he has so many facets to his game that are over and above the role a fullback should have.

Great feet
Halfback skills
Gets into Dummy half
Solid under high ball
Pace
Strength

Webb links the play and therefore creates alot more than Smith. However I do feel that Smith is a bigger danger than Webb ball in hand. You could say that Webb's support play is superior to Smiths, however we've not made many clean breaks recently so I'll hold judgement on that one. There's no doubt that at present our strongest side has Webb at fullback, and Smith on the wing. I hope for our sake that he can make it as a centre, but I think it will be abit of a waste of his talents.

I'm not I'm pointing at a specific role Webb filled in the FE that Smith thus far has not been asked to do. That role was filled by Burrow at Old Trafford and last night in Burrow's absence rather less well by Jamie Jones-Buchanan.

That is something extra Webb would have brought over Smith, IMO of course.

I agree with you. You were right to point that out. The question is would the rest of his game in the 2 matches I said Smith probably brought more to the table, have matched up to what Smith achieved?

Have you identified those two matches in six specifically? Regardless, Smith is Webb's understudy at full back and doing the job as well as I expected him to. If those games required someone to fill the distribution role from dummy half while Diskin takes a break I'd have expected Webb (on his FE performance) to have been given the job and brought more to the table than Smith. That is not a criticism of Smith by the way.

Overall I wouldn't expect Smith to bring more to the table than Webb at this stage of their careers.

No neither do I, which is what I said earlier. Which is why I only stated 2 games.

But just to clarify on your opinion. Are you suggesting that Webb would have brought more to the table then than Smith in the GF? Are you suggesting if that was the case that Webb would have scored that try Smith did, that Webb would have won the couple of penalties Smith did, that Webb would also have got that 40/20 kick that a lot thought changed the game, that Webb would have covered the same meters Smith did, that Webb would therefore have got MOM?

Of course the above side, I accept he would have filled in at dummy half better. But as we won anyway on the back of other facets of Smiths game, I dont think that hindered us.

Webb is capable, on any given day, of doing all that Smith does and more besides.

I'm bagging neither when I say that.

Webb playing in the GF may well of resulted in an even more comfortable win (just as it did for Leeds in 2007), are you suggesting you can state otherwise?

Nope. I am stating as I said earlier, that Smith probably brought more to the table for that game than Webb would have done.

You stated that Webbs involvement from Dummy half would have been better than Smith. I dont argue with that.

I asked you if above if you thought Webb would have done the same things that Smith did in that game, and listed them. You have not refuted that he would, neither have you said he wouldn't. But thats an awful lot to assume if you think he would.

Smith did nothing in the Grand Final that was beyond Webb's capabilities (had he been available for selection) up to and including the 40/20.

In addition I'd have expected him to take the majority of dummy half duties when Diskin was given a breather, as he'd successfully done the week before in the FE.

As I said before I rate both players highly but see a fully fit Webb as the club's first choice in that position.

Stop trying to dilute what you said. Smith would be the first name on your mythical team sheet 1-5.

You would probably be making sense if you weren't talking such bolloax.

Not disputing him to be first choice, not argued on that.

Your opinion, but I think you would be in a very small minority to try and argue that an injured player missing would also have got MOM in the GF had he been playing instead.

Incidentally, it is fully acknowledged that you have the stats to back up anything, and incredibly good with it. How man MOM awards has Webb got in the last 12 months?

You still cant reply without getting your knickers in a twist and frothing at the mouth can you.

Again, I said Smith should and probably is the first name on the team sheet from 1 to 5. Which of course is different to what you are stating.

To be honest though, I would even be willing to back that one up with Money. If you want to ask Bluey the question directly.