My bad. Kudos to you.

I agree, he isn't anything like as one-dimensional as some people think. He is also a good creative player, and makes a lot of opportunities for players around him. What he doesn't do as well(not to say he doesn't do it at all) is give overall structure and shape to the side in the way that someone like Sinfield does. That is certainly no criticism, as Sinfield doesn't offer what McGuire does attacking the line either. I think that's why Leeds are at their best with Sinfield and Diskin/(or probably Buderus) controlling the shape and tempo and McGuire and Burrow being left to do what they do best, which is find gaps and exploit them. They can do the other, more pragmatic stuff, but others do it better, and they're both better when they don't have to. IMO.

Excellent analysis my boy.

Thanks Pops.

McGuire has been one of or top 5 players every year since 2003 IMO and I have no idea why he gets stick on here.

I dont understand why he gets so much stick either scored trys in 3 grand finals got us to the challenge cup final with his last minute try also.

And is very consistent,i think true Leeds fans appreciate a good player and most on here are blinkered.

To be fair he only gets stick from opposition fans and idiots.

You are Danny McGuire and I claim my £5.
Although I do agree with what you are saying Danny

Yup, there's plenty of Rhino supporting idiots floating around with their head up their ar*e.

wouldn't swop for any other stand off in super league.he fits into our style of play perfectly. top player.
and those who don't rate him should put there medals up against his

He has a proven ability to get the job done on the big occasions. The tries in the 2004 and 2008 GFs were crucial in cementing the win, and I think the 2005 try was the first of the game. The point being that these aren't tries that add to already winning margins, they are game-breakers or potential game-breakers.

130 or so tries in 6 and a bit seasons is a stat that would have a hard time lying as well I think.

Mcguire is a very talented player and an integral part of Leeds' success over the last few years, (he has faults, as have an do many great players) thats probably why opposing fans try and say he's no good, they are just deluding themselves in all honesty.

My name is Mark so stuff your 5 pounds.

How's Hull?

I'm sure the fans of other teams who belittle his ability would rather he didn't play against them though

Basically what I was getting at but much more eloquently put.

Being a great player doesnt necessarily mean you have lots of medals and vice versa.

Plenty of poor players have more medals than supposedly great players. Schofield was regarded as a great player but played for a poor team so won very little.

Compare the relative medal tallies and abilities of Scott Naylor and Andrew Johns.

I prefer to think of winners and losers. There are players who may not necessarily be "great" but they're winners. Players like Darryl Powell who make the most of what they've got.

Then there are players who may be considered "great" but are, frankly, born losers who make a habit out of being a loser. Not mentioning any names like.

He gets stick because he's an unorthodox stand off. Inevitably, there are some games where an orthodox stand off would be more of an asset, although almost invariably these are games when other players - indeed, often the whole team - are underperforming. I'm happy for us to stick with him - after all, there's many things I've seen him do that I'll remember long after his career's over. Wonder how many sts fans will say that about Pryce 15 years hence?

A bit like Alan Shearer turning down Man yoo for his beloved newcastle.

DOH!

I have some sympathy for Shearer in that debate.

People constantly point to what he would have won if he'd gone to Old Trafford rather than moving to Newcastle, but is that the yardstick by which he wanted his career to be measured?

Given the money probably won't have been much different to what he earned at Newcastle, did he derive greater satisfaction from playing for his hometown team and becoming a Geordie legend than he would have done picking up medals? I wonder whether Alan Smith got more satisfaction out of his time at Manchester United than he did playing for Leeds?

Ryan, Giigs, George Best, Ian Rush to name a few great players

Never played in a major International Tournament

Thats not Nice!

Like many on here I think Danny is great for us and undervalued/rated by many?

I think even his most ardent supporters would have to confess though that probably due to amount of niggling injuries over last 2 seasons he has lost a little of his pace.

Theres certainly been times watching him the last 2 years when he's been unable to score when through when in 2004 he would have romped away from any covering defenders.