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| Quote ="Lprhino"Trueman will go to Wire with Powell if he goes anywhere. Just don’t see why he would want to come to Leeds .'" Why wouldn't he Leeds are a bigger club than Cas great stadium very good training facilities and his travel will be a lot less than going over to Warrington. He would also renew his partnership with Gale.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"Why wouldn't he Leeds are a bigger club than Cas great stadium very good training facilities and his travel will be a lot less than going over to Warrington. He would also renew his partnership with Gale.'"
Cas have finished above us last couple of seasons. Cas play in a style that you could argue suits him. He rates Powell and the way he could develop him.
In terms of wire they will likely offer more money than us, especially if they ditch both widdop and Austin when Powell comes in. Again he rates Powell and how he will develop him.
Agar isn’t known as a coach to develop players, in particular half backs (he may look at Mclelland in that regard)
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| Quote ="Seth"I dont think anyone has said or intimated that Kendall did cost leeds the game (he was close for kr last night). I'm saying (in my opinion) his performances are consistently not of the required standard, you know in the same way someone may suggest that of a players performances.'"
You say that Seth, and most of us would agree, but he was appointed to a major final last season and onto International group of referees so the powers that be clearly see something differently.
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| Quote ="Lprhino"Cas have finished above us last couple of seasons. Cas play in a style that you could argue suits him. He rates Powell and the way he could develop him.
In terms of wire they will likely offer more money than us, especially if they ditch both widdop and Austin when Powell comes in. Again he rates Powell and how he will develop him.
Agar isn’t known as a coach to develop players, in particular half backs (he may look at Mclelland in that regard)'"
No they haven't, we finished well above them last year won The CC
Since Powell as been at Cas they have won the LLS same period we have 3 cups 2 GF 1 LLS and we are in transition, ludicrous to suggest Truman would not consider signing for us we are likely on our way to being a real force and a generational team again could win 3-4 GF in next 10-12 years why would be not be a part of that, he may well follow Powell to Warrington and get a big pay out, but I reckon he would win far more with us.
But I reckon he’s not even massively on our radar.
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| Quote ="Lprhino"Cas have finished above us last couple of seasons. Cas play in a style that you could argue suits him. He rates Powell and the way he could develop him.
In terms of wire they will likely offer more money than us, especially if they ditch both widdop and Austin when Powell comes in. Again he rates Powell and how he will develop him.
Agar isn’t known as a coach to develop players, in particular half backs (he may look at Mclelland in that regard)'" Regards salary that just a guess that Wire would offer more. I'm not sure Trueman needs developing he's a pretty natural player but I'm sure Sean Long could teach him a thing or two. I personally don't think we will be in for him as we have signed Eastmond. As I put earlier I'd Eastmond doesn't kick on then I would hope we would at least test the waters to see if he was available.
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| I think they'll be patient with Eastmond given that he's already at the club. Watching him on Friday reminded me of seeing both Sandow and Barba for the 1st time in SL. They were both way off the pace but within six weeks they were winning matches. Not saying Eastmond will go the same way but the ability is there. Trueman is contracted to Cas for this year and next, so any club in the market for him any time soon is gonna have to pay a whopping fee on top of what will be close to Marquee wages.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"You say that Seth, and most of us would agree, but he was appointed to a major final last season and onto International group of referees so the powers that be clearly see something differently.'"
I know, its baffling to say the least. It's not just individual errors I just dont like the way he manages the game in general or communicates. Must be slim pickings for refs
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| The trouble with Kendall is, for whatever reason he doesn't seem to have a feel for how players play the game or what they are trying to do. That incorrect play the ball was a case in point. Sure you could penalise it as not technically correct but the reality is referees ignore most stuff like that just to keep the game going. As long as a player makes an honest attempt we carry on. A referee with a real understanding for the game would ignore it as a reasonable effort in the circumstances, not trying to gain advantage through foul play or a speedy play the ball. The obstruction no try last night likewise. It was just a dumb reading of how the game works and what players do.
If only Thaler was in better shape as he's the best we've got at that side of it, understanding and managing players through a game.
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| The thing that annoyed me was that I don’t think the Wigan player put his foot on the ball at the PTB just before their try after that. Inconsistency. If you’re going to be pedantic be consistently pedantic.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"The trouble with Kendall is, for whatever reason he doesn't seem to have a feel for how players play the game or what they are trying to do. That incorrect play the ball was a case in point. Sure you could penalise it as not technically correct but the reality is referees ignore most stuff like that just to keep the game going. As long as a player makes an honest attempt we carry on. A referee with a real understanding for the game would ignore it as a reasonable effort in the circumstances, not trying to gain advantage through foul play or a speedy play the ball. The obstruction no try last night likewise. It was just a dumb reading of how the game works and what players do.
If only Thaler was in better shape as he's the best we've got at that side of it, understanding and managing players through a game.'"
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| Quote ="ALAW"Agree but compared to some of the frankly awful ptb we watch every game it was harsh. Again the word consistency comes to mind'"
I don't disagree with you but on this occasion he got it right.
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| Quote ="Jrrhino"Mellor wasn't exactly lying down he just had his leg at the side with cramp and he made a clear attempt to play the ball with his foot,, they'll be far worse ptb's let go this season that's for sure.'"
There will be far worse, but it was an incorrect ptb by Mellor.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"There will be far worse, but it was an incorrect ptb by Mellor.'"
So why did Kendall not penalise all the other incorrect play the balls in the game including the one leading to a Wigan Try , Mellor regained his feet and actually played the ball correctly , the only thing he did wrong was place his hands back on the ground as he was trying to balance himself due to injury . It was a typical all about me decision from Kendall that we have come to expect from him !
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"There will be far worse, but it was an incorrect ptb by Mellor.'"
So was the one leading up to Hardakers try when he moved a couple of metres off the mark and took out the marker defender.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"I think they'll be patient with Eastmond given that he's already at the club. Watching him on Friday reminded me of seeing both Sandow and Barba for the 1st time in SL. They were both way off the pace but within six weeks they were winning matches. Not saying Eastmond will go the same way but the ability is there. Trueman is contracted to Cas for this year and next, so any club in the market for him any time soon is gonna have to pay a whopping fee on top of what will be close to Marquee wages.'"
I agree. Eastmond will get plenty of time.
I think he will go well eventually although, admittedly, it is early days. I think there were glimpses in the second half of what he can offer.
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| Hopefully they will have a major crackdown on the play of the ball. Would get rid of so many issues. Worked well when they did it in the nrl
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"So why did Kendall not penalise all the other incorrect play the balls in the game including the one leading to a Wigan Try , Mellor regained his feet and actually played the ball correctly , the only thing he did wrong was place his hands back on the ground as he was trying to balance himself due to injury . It was a typical all about me decision from Kendall that we have come to expect from him !'"
I have no idea mate, you will have to take that up with Kendall. The referee was right to penalise Mellor though. You say he played the ball correctly and then contradict yourself saying 'that all he did wrong was place his hands back on the ground', you can't have it both ways. Consistency is a major issue in refereeing.
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| Quote ="christopher"So was the one leading up to Hardakers try when he moved a couple of metres off the mark and took out the marker defender.'"
I don't disagree, there were many. Two wrongs don't make a right though.
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| Mellor's ptb was by the letter of the law a penalty. You would hope given Mellor was clearly in some distress that common sense would have been applied. Mellor wasnt trying to gain an advantage, he was just trying to bring the ball back into play anyway he could.
Ive no issue with Kendalls performance on Thurs, the ruck was poor all night but he allowed both teams to slow it down. If anything he allowed us to slow ruck more. The Mellor one was harsh i thought.
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| Quote ="Seth"Yes, this I remember. As in a lot of people looking to see how he goes on.'"
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Mellor's ptb was by the letter of the law a penalty. You would hope given Mellor was clearly in some distress that common sense would have been applied. Mellor wasnt trying to gain an advantage, he was just trying to bring the ball back into play anyway he could.
Ive no issue with Kendalls performance on Thurs, the ruck was poor all night but he allowed both teams to slow it down. If anything he allowed us to slow ruck more. The Mellor one was harsh i thought.'"
How many times have you seen a player with concussion play the ball incorrectly and get penalised? In such circumstances it may be better if the referee told the player to play the ball again rather than penalising him.
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| One thing the referees seem to have forgotten about is the late flop. Two players already completed the tackle and a third falls on top. Most teams are doing it, you can see it is being coached and needs to be stopped.
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"I have no idea mate, you will have to take that up with Kendall. The referee was right to penalise Mellor though. You say he played the ball correctly and then contradict yourself saying 'that all he did wrong was place his hands back on the ground', you can't have it both ways. Consistency is a major issue in refereeing.'"
I was not contradicting myself at all , just pointing out that it was a better effort to play the ball than some others on the night . You take it with Kendall please as i have no wish to speak to him . Thanks in advance .
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"How many times have you seen a player with concussion play the ball incorrectly and get penalised? In such circumstances it may be better if the referee told the player to play the ball again rather than penalising him.'"
I’d prefer that, ref makes them play the ball and waits till defenders are set. Same with moving forward off the mark just make them step back and play it again, we starting policing this a few years ago and it soon stopped.
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| Quote ="finglas"One thing the referees seem to have forgotten about is the late flop. Two players already completed the tackle and a third falls on top. Most teams are doing it, you can see it is being coached and needs to be stopped.'"
Yep just totalling ignored nowadays. Some of us just want to see the rules of the game applied properly and consistently, not pedantically, but a decrease in intolerance if the basic rules.
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