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| If he doesn't want to muck in to get us out of this hole i don't see the point playing him. He's hardly on fire so we're not missing out on much.
Send him to Hunslet.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"If he doesn't want to muck in to get us out of this hole i don't see the point playing him. He's hardly on fire so we're not missing out on much.
Send him to Hunslet.'"
Well we dont have dual reg with Hunslet and i doubt they have a spare 300k to buy him.
If he was selected and was to give his best why not pick him?? Make no sense to send him to Fev and weaken our team until transfer goes thru. Whether he would give his best is open to debate but weve no reason to doubt he wouldnt. While his form hasnt been great this year thats never been down to a lack of effort from what ive seen.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!" While his form hasnt been great this year thats never been down to a lack of effort from what ive seen.'"
Defines the majority of our players.
He wants to go let him. His goals and agenda are different from everyone of his current team mates. I wouldn't select him.
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| He has been pretty e so far this season. You would think if he was desperate to move to the NRL, and Leeds have slapped a big price on him, that now would be the time for him to show some of last season's form. I say play him.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Defines the majority of our players.
He wants to go let him. His goals and agenda are different from everyone of his current team mates. I wouldn't select him.'"
So if the transfer doesnt happen what would you do??? Continue to honour his contract and leave him at Fev for 4 years?? Makes no sense. Would you release him ? Pay him his entitlement and not be able to replace due to salary cap implications.
There arent many NRL teams that he could go to so there is no guarantee it will go through tho I am sure Leeds will do everything to make it happen as quick as possible but if no team wants him what can we do.
Zak while being an idiot at times has never not given his best for Leeds and therfore while that continues he should be our full back while at the club. If his head isnt in the right place then fair enough.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"So if the transfer doesnt happen what would you do??? Continue to honour his contract and leave him at Fev for 4 years?? Makes no sense. Would you release him ? Pay him his entitlement and not be able to replace due to salary cap implications.
There arent many NRL teams that he could go to so there is no guarantee it will go through tho I am sure Leeds will do everything to make it happen as quick as possible but if no team wants him what can we do.
Zak while being an idiot at times has never not given his best for Leeds and therfore while that continues he should be our full back while at the club. If his head isnt in the right place then fair enough.'"
Leeds keep talking about how 'together' they are still, despite the current awful performances and string of poor results. That is the biggest hope Leeds have of turning that round. For me with Zak's decision he isn't going to help things in that regard, so should be quickly dealt with by both sides, which i think will happen, but also make sure we get the best possible price.
Zak's hardly been an angel and leeds have had to put up with a fair bit from him, so I think his decision spits in the face of that a little. His timing is awful too in the midst of our current position. why now? why not at the end of the season? is it beneath him to play away at Batley now?
People are entitled to their opinion, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to select him.
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| You make some good points but you keep mentioning Zak's decision. This decision was as much Leeds' decision as Zak's.
By making the transfer public without a deal in place already Leeds could find themselves in a bit of an awkward situation if nothing goes thru.
Canberra said they wasnt interested yesterday, whether true or not, Penrith have been mentioned but they are releasing people to fit under cap so that doesnt add up. Titans? Knights? Who knows. Where else is there to go?
Now its out in the open and as Leeds have said "its in interests of both parties" they are now faced with a dilema if nothing happens.
There is no doubt he is best full back at the club and has never stopped trying no matter how bad his form has or hasnt been.
Leeds should have said nothing and got the deal done if possible without making it public knowledge because if nothing happens with NRL or anybody the whole world knows we dont want him and he doesnt want to be with us.
Until something happens if the coaches decide he will be ok mentally he should be our full back in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"You make some good points but you keep mentioning Zak's decision. This decision was as much Leeds' decision as Zak's.
By making the transfer public without a deal in place already Leeds could find themselves in a bit of an awkward situation if nothing goes thru.
Canberra said they wasnt interested yesterday, whether true or not, Penrith have been mentioned but they are releasing people to fit under cap so that doesnt add up. Titans? Knights? Who knows. Where else is there to go?
Now its out in the open and as Leeds have said "its in interests of both parties" they are now faced with a dilema if nothing happens.
There is no doubt he is best full back at the club and has never stopped trying no matter how bad his form has or hasnt been.
Leeds should have said nothing and got the deal done if possible without making it public knowledge because if nothing happens with NRL or anybody the whole world knows we dont want him and he doesnt want to be with us.
Until something happens if the coaches decide he will be ok mentally he should be our full back in my opinion.'"
It's Zak's decision:
Zak:
“I explained my desire to leave and test myself in the NRL to Gary several weeks ago and I am pleased the club is prepared to release me."
If he doesn't want to be here, I'm glad Leeds are selling him.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"It's Zak's decision:
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“I explained my desire to leave and test myself in the NRL to Gary several weeks ago and I am pleased the club is prepared to release me."
If he doesn't want to be here, I'm glad Leeds are selling him.'"
Partly Zak's decision but just as much Leeds' decision. Dont believe all youn read
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Partly Zak's decision but just as much Leeds' decision. Dont believe all youn read'"
So I'm not to believe Zak's statement?
If he doesn't want to be here (which is what he is saying), get shot. if you keep someone who doesn't want to be here you end up with Greg Eastwood on your hands. Don't make that mistake twice.
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| I agree we need to get rid that is why GH said its in best interests of both parties but the fact remains there arent many NRL we could get rid to. If he doesnt go and Leeds dont get their wish weve a full back with 4 years left on his deal so saying send him to a lower league team isnt feasible.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I agree we need to get rid that is why GH said its in best interests of both parties but the fact remains there arent many NRL we could get rid to. If he doesnt go and Leeds dont get their wish weve a full back with 4 years left on his deal so saying send him to a lower league team isnt feasible.'"
Not for the long term.
But i'd put him out somewhere, keep him busy, keep his drama away from the rest of team, until something is sorted.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Not for the long term.
But i'd put him out somewhere, keep him busy, keep his drama away from the rest of team, until something is sorted.'"
Which is the reason Leeds shouldnt have made it public in my opinion and just got the deal done before announcing it. If he goes nowhere, which i believe is unlikely but possible it will linger on and could cause issues.
We both agree he needs to go just for different reasons.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Which is the reason Leeds shouldnt have made it public in my opinion and just got the deal done before announcing it. If he goes nowhere, which i believe is unlikely but possible it will linger on and could cause issues.
We both agree he needs to go just for different reasons.'"
You seen state of Zak on Twitter? Leeds probably thought 'announce what we know, before numpty starts typing again' !!
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Partly Zak's decision but just as much Leeds' decision. Dont believe all youn read'"
You are Incorrect there, so do believe what you read. Leeds have tried various other ways before announcing on Saturday, and have now come up with a solution they are happy with. You only have to look at the statement and the comments by Hetherington and McDermott to see what their preferred option was.
It was orgiginally end of season asked for. It is only the offers since that have changed it to as soon as. He already has the club lined up, and agreed with Leeds, but if they don't pay the fee then it will be sorted end of season.
Longer he stays for me, more chance of him changing his mind.
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| Anyone dropped a quick email informing the Australian equivalent of the NUS yet?
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"So I'm not to believe Zak's statement?
If he doesn't want to be here (which is what he is saying), get shot. if you keep someone who doesn't want to be here you end up with Greg Eastwood on your hands. Don't make that mistake twice.'"
Greg Eastwood was pretty much our best player in the last few matches of that season.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Greg Eastwood was pretty much our best player in the last few matches of that season.'"
With the biggest pet lip.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You are Incorrect there, so do believe what you read. Leeds have tried various other ways before announcing on Saturday, and have now come up with a solution they are happy with. You only have to look at the statement and the comments by Hetherington and McDermott to see what their preferred option was.
It was orgiginally end of season asked for. It is only the offers since that have changed it to as soon as. He already has the club lined up, and agreed with Leeds, but if they don't pay the fee then it will be sorted end of season.
Longer he stays for me, more chance of him changing his mind.'"
If the last statement is correct you need him out ASAP. I would take a lesser fee to move on - this has to be in everyone's interest.
His behaviour off the field would be a worry and it would appear it is only a matter of time before it blows up again and one day it will be so serious there will be no coming back and your asset will have no value.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You are Incorrect there, so do believe what you read. Leeds have tried various other ways before announcing on Saturday, and have now come up with a solution they are happy with. You only have to look at the statement and the comments by Hetherington and McDermott to see what their preferred option was.
It was orgiginally end of season asked for. It is only the offers since that have changed it to as soon as. He already has the club lined up, and agreed with Leeds, but if they don't pay the fee then it will be sorted end of season.
Longer he stays for me, more chance of him changing his mind.'"
Thanks for the latest [i"I'm in the know"[/i but [i"can't divulge too much information apart from a little taster"[/i along with the juicy little titbit added at the end just for added effect, Re: [i"He might change his mind and stay"[/i.
If he doesn't ship out soon, I'm hoping he loses weight.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Thanks for the latest [i"I'm in the know"[/i but [i"can't divulge too much information apart from a little taster"[/i along with the juicy little titbit added at the end just for added effect, Re: [i"He might change his mind and stay"[/i. '"
No need for thanks but appreciation duly noted
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| Gotcha u cover your backside more than a nun's habit on these forums.
Hes got a club lined up (unnamed as always) but he could change his mind and stay. Wow uve got that well covered then. So he could go or he could stay?? Shock.
The facts are simple he was partying til 6am 2 days before the WCC his girlfriend dragged him out of it, he has turned up drunk to training, he has missed public appointments the club had him down for as part of Carl Abletts Testimonial, he slept in and was late arriving for the Saints away game (unbelievably the team waited for him the fans coaches actually left before the team that night) and finally he abuses fans and threatened them on twitter after the Hudds league game. That was the final straw for GH and the club. Those are the facts and all while on a final warning. Some of the other rumours maybe true i have no idea so not right to comment on.
I know about his issues with his family and his ex and the baby can in part be used as an excuse for him but again not fair to post on here.
If as you claim a team has been bidding for him there was no need for Leeds to make the transfer listing public. They could have done the deal quietly and then announced Zak wanted to go to NRL after the deal was done. The fact that they have chose to say its in best interests of both parties that he leaves speaks volumes i think.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Gotcha u cover your backside more than a nun's habit on these forums.
Hes got a club lined up (unnamed as always) but he could change his mind and stay. Wow uve got that well covered then. So he could go or he could stay?? Shock.'"
That might well be an issue for someone else, but not for me mate. I have no desire or even half @rsed bothered to say I told you so. People get so obsessed with "in the know" they don't really see the wood for the trees. The last bit of changing mind, was my own opinion as that is what I would like to see happening. And I know the club tried all they can to try and make that happen.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"The facts are simple he was partying til 6am 2 days before the WCC his girlfriend dragged him out of it'"
This is true, and there was another two first team players with him.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"he has turned up drunk to training'"
That is not true, and therefore not a fact.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!" he has missed public appointments the club had him down for as part of Carl Abletts Testimonial'"
This is true, and was at the time of his personal issue, that the club have supported him on.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"he slept in and was late arriving for the Saints away game (unbelievably the team waited for him)'"
That's nonsense that one. Not even sure where you made that one up from.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"and finally he abuses fans and threatened them on twitter after the Hudds league game. That was the final straw for GH and the club.'"
This first bit is true, and the club didn't even bat an eyelid at it, due to players across the game supporting him on it, and the fact he was defending his team mates. Not to mention, it again, was exactly the time of his personal issue. And he won't be the first or last to have a go at people on ter, that is what the thing is for. It seems to happen weekly with players.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Those are the facts and all while on a final warning.'"
So not facts then at all, but just made up rumours that people embelish to try and paint an incorrect picture. You also missed off the pulling over by he police for reading on is ipad whilst driving. You also missed off coming off his quad bike, stupidly racing in the street with fellow players, which are actually true. You see, he isn't an innocent boy, but he certainly isn't the one made up either.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I know about his issues with his family and his ex and the baby can in part be used as an excuse for him but again not fair to post on here.'"
Good for you. I would suggest you don't actually know fully though, considering your post.
Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"If as you claim a team has been bidding for him there was no need for Leeds to make the transfer listing public. They could have done the deal quietly and then announced Zak wanted to go to NRL after the deal was done.'"
They could have done, but then again it had been posted on here for the prior couple of weeks, and the rumours been made up included other players that were just making the situation for the club worse. But more to the point, they were hopeful of doing a swap deal, that fell through, and they were not going to publish their interest before anything were they?
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| Gotcha the with regards to the one you disagree on about the Saints away game he actually tweeted it so not sure why he would do that if not true. So hope that explains where it came from. I saw the tweet with my own eyes. As with a lot of his stuff they disappear within 24 hours.
Also with regards to the club didnt want to keep it quiet cos of rumours posted on here a couple of weeks earlier surely carries no weight. The club could very easily keep it quiet. They chose not to. That, in my opinion, could prove to be a mistake by the club.
As for street racing and stopped by the police I didnt mention those as i have no idea about them and only deal in what I know and not rumours i hear through gossip.
With regards to your opening paragrah about being in the know I accept what you say and apologise for what i put.
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| Personally id love him to stay sort his head out & recapture his MOS form unfortunatey i think his time with us is done so i wouldnt select him fit or not.
Its too big a gamble imo due to the length of his contract.
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